Wednesday, October 3rd, 2012 · 26 Comments »

Did you watch? I kind of followed it on Twitter. Apparently there are no women in America and the 47% thing never happened.

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  1. tinfoil hattie says:

    Yeah, you nailed it. For sure. Obama just won’t go on the offensive. Possibly because he believes most of what Romney believes.

    And women STILL don’t exist in either dude’s world.

  2. Don Durito says:

    Pretty much hits it on the head. For all intents and purposes there was no moderator. Not really sure it would have mattered. Ended up deciding to read a book by Badiou instead.

  3. falstaff says:

    It was strange, indeed. On the one hand, if Mitt Romney was capable of this kind of performance, what has he been doing for the past six months? Rope-a-dope? On the other hand, Obama seemed to have graduated from his narcissistic torpor over the past year (freed, as he has been by the total gridlock, from any possibility of governing). He finally seemed to have read George Lakoff, and was running a reasonably competent campaign on progressive rhetoric. And then last night, we saw the re-emergence of the reluctant dragon. One person on that stage seemed to want the job, and the other seemed not to. It’s not just that he was “off his game” — i.e., that he didn’t throw punches, didn’t call out lies, didn’t make a positive case for himself. It’s that he came with no apparent strategy — seemed to be running out the clock, as he did against Hillary in ’08. And then his closing statement — the thing he presumably had prepared ahead of time, the thing he could most control — was the weakest argument for re-election I’ve ever heard: “I never promised that I was perfect. But I did promise to try. If you want to give me the chance to keep trying, vote for me.” In fact, I think the subtext was actually: “Don’t vote for me. Free me from the need to keep trying. I want out.”

  4. quixote says:

    Funniest comment I’ve seen: Obama fought the mannequin and the mannequin won.

    It’s probably because Mr. Arrogant (Oh, wait, no distinction there. I mean Obama) knows the polls say he’s got those 12 swing counties sewed up and there’s no need to make any effort.

  5. scott says:

    Is Badiou good?

  6. anna says:

    “there are no women in America”

    What do you mean by that? Sorry, I have a cold and my brain is garbage today.

  7. Sweet Sue says:

    They were both lying, but one looked passionate and engaged and the other looked like a school boy called to the principal’s office.
    Since we don’t get substance, style matters.

  8. quixote says:

    anna, that must be a real bad cold. Once it’s over, listen for how the (male) politicians talk as if women don’t exist.

  9. Violet Socks says:

    “there are no women in America”

    What do you mean by that? Sorry, I have a cold and my brain is garbage today.

    What quixote said. And on Twitter people were going nuts because in the entire debate, not once did Obama mention what are surely the two most resonant narratives against the Republicans: the War on Women and the 47%.

  10. Violet Socks says:

    By the end of the debate, women were tweeting things like, “Obama must say the word ‘women’ before this debate is over. He must at least say the word.”

  11. albrt says:

    Why would Obama say the word “women”? He said the word “sweetie.” What more do you people want?

    You want him to brag about restricting women’s health care by extending the Hyde amendment to private insurance? I can’t think of anything else he’s done for women.

    I suppose he could explicitly shift his strategy from hippie-punching to women-punching. Is that what you were hoping for?

  12. anna says:

    Have now come in from the cold. Ugh, this world sometimes.

    Have you seen this hideous bit of sexism from The Onion (a supposed humor site):,29795/

  13. Gayle says:

    “Obama must say the word ‘women’ before this debate is over. He must at least say the word.”

    Pitiful! Yet they’ll vote for him regardless!

    Double pitiful!

  14. Gayle says:

    Of course debates mean nothing at all. They lie outright and no one ever holds them to their word. Remember when GW said he was going to make sure small businesses could pool health care costs? I do! HA! He never did it. No one asked him about it again.

    I didn’t bother watching this one and I don’t feel like I missed one thing. The republican pretends he’s mainstream and he’ll lurch to the right once elected. The democrat will pretend he’s mainstream and he’ll sidestep to the right once elected. They both serve the same masters and we’re not them.

  15. tinfoil hattie says:

    Ugh, anna, that’s disappointing – especially so because of late, The Onion has been publishing some articles with a decidely feminist bent.

    Of course, that couldn’t be allowed to stand.

  16. julia says:

    DemocracyNow has a much better debate, with Jill Stein and Rocky Amderson countering Obama and Romney. And a very good report about the takeover of the presidential debates and the five corporations that control them.

    With all due respect, I am proud to be a registered Green. I refuse to vote for anyone I do not respect.

  17. monchichipox says:

    However, a woman, Jill Stein is on the top of the Green Party ticket. No vote is ever a throw away.

  18. robynsu says:

    what monchichipox said.

  19. Teresainpa says:

    albrt@11 very funny, I think I have to quote you on facebook, on the other hand my friends and relatives are barely discussing politics with me anymore as it is. They all supported Obama… I was a bitter knitter.

  20. Teresainpa says:

    julia and Monchi, I swore I would never vote Green after 2000, but several years ago I also swore I would vote for women of any party when ever they appeared on a ballot. So I may vote for the Green party ticket. Still there is a powerful temptation for me to write in Hillary Clinton. I happen to agree with Jill Stein on the issues, probably more so than anyone and yet my gut tells me Clinton would be a powerful president and does have a chance to get elected in 2016. I’d like to send that message. So, what to do….

  21. Teresainpa says:

    here i am in moderation. no one can see me, i am putting my feet up on all the furniture and writing in all the magazines….so, let’s go see if anyone has left anything good in the fridge…. la la la la la…….

  22. quixote says:

    Teresainpa, Clinton would be great, but she’d have to run to be elected. She’s said she’s not interested, and she’s been a woman of her word.

    I think we’d send the strongest message if all of us left-leaning discontents voted for the same person. That means the media doesn’t have to learn any new math. (If we vote for different people they’d have to think. “ZOMG! If you add up the left third party votes, that’s 5.5%!”)

    My preference is for Stein, who has the most articulate progressive message out there, but it’s not like leftists are about to get organized or anything. The real point is to vote for anyone outside the kleptocracy.

  23. tinfoil hattie says:

    Slightly OT, and GREAT!

  24. anna says:

    Hey Violet, seen this bit about how Hillary should resign because of Libya?

    I can’t even with these idiots.

  25. julia says:

    I’ve been remembering what it was like when Hillary Clinton was running, in 2008, and when she won the nomination by vote and then had it stolen from her by her own party!

    I know a man in my local Green Party who rants that Obama is not really black and Hillary is not really a woman. Ha! She most certainly is – she’s had to bear so much of the worst from men and male supremacy, starting with her own husband.

    If Gale Sheehy is correct (from the book Hillary’s Choice) Hillary Clinton had better grades in law school than Bill, graduated earlier, had more political experience, but he -not she – got to be governor and then president.

    What infuriates me is that even radical men like John Trudell call her a b*tch and a witch, exactly what men in Australia are doing to Julia Guillard. I heard Trudell rouse the audience in Eugene, Oregon, when he did this and even get applause from the women!

    All of this has made me more of a radical feminist than ever. And I feel very clear about giving my vote to Cynthia McKinney in 2008 and Jill Stein now. I wish I had done it for Sonia Johnson in 1984, but I was too young to understand.

    Who will stand for women if we ourselves do not?

  26. tinfoil hattie says:

    You said it, Julia. Ramen to that.