Fuckers
I’m putting this up in case anybody wants to say anything about the healthcare anti-woman shit train. Anti-human shit train, really; just a heavier load for the wimmins. Anyway, I’m too goddamn tired to write a post. Whatever. Fuckers.
41 Responses to “Fuckers”
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Adrienne in CA says:
Justice for all of ‘em. Of the fry your ass variety.
*****A
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Lexia says:
Fuckers – yes they are indeed. And should be no more. Just say no! to sex with right to life apologists and collaborators.
It’s a start, anyway.
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hm says:
Fuckers, I will say it again. Just got back from a neighbor’s Christmas party, all fucking smug lawyer Obots.
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sheridee says:
you said it all; i have been feeling like you all day long; it’s 8:30 p.m. here in CA; i heard the news at 7:00 a.m.; not voting for Boxer and definitely not Feinstein. I am sick of them all. they got Victoria kennedy to sign off on this crap, too – how? Bcuz they are saying by passing this insurance care reform, it is a “starter home” not a mansion All the good stuff will come later. Do they think we are all idiots?????
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bluelyon says:
I wrote about it this morning, then left the house to drown my sorrows in Christmas shopping and a pumpkin spice latte. It took my mind off it for awhile…
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Kookaburra says:
I’m ready for an armed revolt. (OK, so I’ve been ready for an armed revolt since the first time I read Brownmiller) Let’s have Lieberman, Stupak, and the rest of the oligarchy fear that they might not live to see the New Year, just like lots of ordinary Americans. Hell, just like lots of ordinary Afghanis, Pakistanis, Iraqis, and other people who were so gauche as to be born in a place that was inconvenient to the US.
What really gets me is that I’m one of the people whom that bill is supposed to help. No insurance, under the poverty line (though I am privileged enough that I have family I can rely on) with lots of pre-existing conditions, and people have the gall to pat me on the head and tell me that I love it, all the polls show so! No, I don’t love it. I think it stinks, actually. So they can fuck off.
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GnomeDigest says:
Its all pretty revolting. In its application in the political sphere, the abortion issue has never seemed about “life” considering that often the ones who support it the most are the ones advocating death to medical workers who are involved in carrying out legal medical procedures. I’ve never understood how their zeal for capitol punishment fits into “life” either.
I’ve often wondered how much stems from attempting to control women having sex altogether. Something like..
-What they really care about is to repress women having sex.
-They assume fear of pregnancy is a powerful deterrent to having sex for a women.
-They assume the availability of abortion reduces the effectiveness of that deterrent.
-Therefor, get rid of abortion and you reduce how much women have sex.Their campaigns against birth control in general seem to reinforce that idea.
I am not suggesting this is the only reason. I also am not suggesting those assumptions I think they are making are correct.
I worked as an interpreter in a hospital OBGYN and at least from my firsthand experience, no women see abortion as some easy pregnancy fix. The combination of social pressures from the very “debate” over abortion, religious concerns, personal life concerns, changing hormones/biology as pregnancy begins, to having a significant medical procedure creates a mindfuck I am happy to say I will never have to go through as a dude.
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lambert strether says:
Thanks for being civil, Violet.
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Nina M. says:
I can’t believe that Boxer and Murray degraded themselves this way. Since when did they decide that the PP v. Casey logic – “these issues are too hard, let’s throw them to the states” – is okay?
I hope everyone realizes that leaving it up to the states means we’re in for up to 50 state legislative battles, possibly year after year. So open up your purses, ladies: your advocacy dollars will be needed by choice groups all over the country, just to hold on to the pitiful, insufficient level of access women have now. And here I thought we’d be able to work on moving forward for a change.
Since I ran out of angry in 2008, and my jaws are permanently set in clench-and-grind position, I look at the health reform debacle as an object lesson in why sexism / misogyny is bad for women, bad for families, and bad for the country.
We could have had a smart, experienced, tough, principled leader for president – the best person for the job. Instead we got the second-best – smart, yes, but inexperienced, weak, and unprincipled. A great spokesperson, but not a leader. And why? Because the best candidate – the manifestly best candidate – was a woman and worse, a “wife” (read: appendage / drone). (And a Clinton, of course).
So we’re left with a guy who is pleased by the “victory” of closing a deal – the deal itself is the victory, not anything the deal would accomplish.
That’s the mentality of an operative, a staffer, even a flunky – “I got the job done. I don’t need to ask why.” Its not the mentality of a leader who envisions what needs to be accomplished and then devises a strategy to get us there.
He’s ticking off tasks on his to-do list, in preparation for his performance evaluation in 2012. He wants to be sure he can say he completed his duties as assigned – as if that’s all that’s needed in a president.
Second best candidate, second best president, second best outcomes. Well, its not like we can’t all say “we told you so.”
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stateofdisbelief says:
Violet,
There you go again with that “women are people too” nonsense. Didn’t you get the memo?
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Sevesteen says:
Shouldn’t we concentrate on men’s health care until lifespans are more nearly equal?
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stateofdisbelief says:
Maybe you should check out Sapolsky’s research which indicates that it may be alpha male piggish behavior that causes their lifespan issues.
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Swannie says:
Mother-fuckers…actually
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ms_xeno says:
…So open up your purses, ladies…
I open up my purse for no one who continues to operate as an arm of the Democratic Party. I know of no mainstream feminist org that pushes for anything but more Dems, all Dems, all the time. TINA. Well, the “TINA” crowd can kiss off.
I’m sick of them, sick of Big Labor, sick of “anti-racists,” sick of “anti-war” true believers who can never think of anything to do at the end of the day but scrape their foreheads on the ground for some Dem.OTOH, if somebody sets up a Facebook page where we can meet up and donate directly to some luckless soul who really needs an abortion but is flat broke, I’ll consider that.
As for the “woulda coulda shoulda” Hilary camp, gimme’ a break. She was/is every bit as bought and paid for as Obama. Please.
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stateofdisbelief says:
ms_zeno @14
You keep telling yourself that about Hillary and the media will continue to reinforce it. While you may have totally missed the fact that the corporate media pushed back vehemently against Hillary, we didn’t and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out who the money people wanted based on that simple fact alone.
Hillary NEVER caved on women’s issues.
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Swannie says:
Male life span is connected to the higher number of males born in ration to females … because more males die younger ,( because of their alpha behavior ) and that evens out the population. This is natures way of preventing gender imbalance in the over all population and the results of gender imbalance …like war.
China currently has imbalanced their population to the extent that there will be 30 to 40 million ” excess” males in the adult population in the next decade . yippee skippee… not . -
Sasha, CA says:
I can’t believe that Boxer and Murray degraded themselves this way.
Murray also voted against the drug importation amendment last week. So did Kirsten Gillibrand. Very disappointed. I remember Hillary voting for drug importation when she was in the senate.
Honestly, how stupid do Murray and Boxer think we are: “we said we would stop Stupak — which we did.” Um, no, not exactly; you’re leaving it up to each state to decide whether they want to implement Stupak, and I think we all know what the result of that is going to be in the red states.
I keep hearing that this doesn’t change the status quo with regard to abortion because the women who will receive coverage through the Exchange are currently uninsured, so they’re already paying for abortions out-of-pocket. However, without serious cost controls, premiums will continue to skyrocket, making it only a matter of time before some employers who currently provide health insurance that includes abortion coverage decide that it’s more cost-effective for them to stop offering health benefits and make a contribution to the Exchange instead — and then a lot of women who currently have insurance that includes abortion will lose that coverage.
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Gayle says:
They also treat themselves like crap by not going to the doctor, by eating too much meat, fried foods and junk foods, by drinking too much, not going to the gym, etc.
And they like to hit, shoot and murder each other.
No one is denying men their basic reproductive healthcare as far as I can tell.
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Toonces says:
80% of lighting strike victims are men:
http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/paper.....93-10.html
They’re also more dangerous drivers:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16698153
Ain’t my responsibility to protect anybody from their fears of being too womanly and I sure as fuck don’t feel the need to start some kind of Stop Being a Stupid Asshole health education program. That’s about where I become a social Darwinist.
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Violet Socks says:
At one of the news sites the other day, I saw a comment (typical) to the effect that everyone over the age of 10 knows that sex can lead to pregnancy, so it’s ridiculous to expect the taxpayers to pay for someone’s abortion.
What’s never said: that everyone over the age of 10 knows that smoking can lead to lung cancer, so it’s ridiculous to expect the taxpayers to pay for cancer treatment.
As old as I am, it never fails to amaze me that people can look at women and somehow not see human beings. I guess we look like evil engines of doom or something, bizarre beings to whom normal rules and logic don’t apply.
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ms_xeno says:
stateofdisbelief said:
…Hillary NEVER caved on women’s issues…
I’ll remember that as she continues to advocate that they be bombed into tiny pieces off in x-number of foreign countries.
I wish feminists would devote one-tenth of their horror over Palin to examining Clinton II with a clear eye. Sure, Palin’s an ass, but she’s not actually helming a post where she does real and permanent damage to innocent people. Clinton II, OTOH, most assuredly is.
Democrats are beyond useless. They don’t get my money. Whatever color, whatever gender, whatever creed, whatever locale. I’d rather give my lousy ten bucks to the corner wino than to any of them. End of story.
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Violet Socks says:
I’ll remember that as she continues to advocate that they be bombed into tiny pieces off in x-number of foreign countries.
I think Hillary Clinton is doing more for global women’s rights than any Secretary of State in our history. Granted, she’s the SoS of a bellicose empire, so she hardly qualifies as a pacifist. But given that limitation, I think she’s doing pretty well.
I wish feminists would devote one-tenth of their horror over Palin to examining Clinton II with a clear eye.
I wish feminists would devote one-tenth of their horror over Palin to examining Barack Obama with a clear eye, along with all the other Lords of Creation who run the world. Instead of endlessly beating up on other women.
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bluelady says:
My reaction to this bill? (And I HATE to parrot those right-wing nutjobs)
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Toonces says:
(Sorry Violet, I keep seeing people blaming Hillary so I have to say something)
A male politician who is a dove has a very slim chance of getting elected in this country. A female politician who’s a dove would be too emotional, weak, fragile, etc. to have even a small percentage of that slim chance. The military-industrial-complex is just too powerful. Does it make it okay that Hillary isn’t a pacifist? No, but it’s rather telling how little benefit of the doubt she gets on that while all the men were/are excused from dove-duty.
(I mean, seriously, can you imagine?
“Hillary wants to send the terrorists teddy bears and cookies! Wimminz can’t do defense! Get them the fuck out of the army, too!”)Also? Hillary is not Obama’s mommy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.....ted_States
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APaul says:
ClintonII? So she’s not even her own person?
This bill sadly doesn’t surprise me. Obama is a misogynist. His campaign used it to ramp up hatred against women in the media so he could “win” I expected terrible things from him from the moment I realized what tactic Axelrod and Obama would sink to against us. I didn’t know just how low they could get till now. They were fuckers from day one, the shining light who was going to “bring us allll together” as long as “all” doesn’t include half the population.
Fuck him and the goddamned Chicago mafia who brought him to us. And fuck everyone who helped him get where he is and who started by staying silent about cheating us of our votes or participated in it.
How many years of work and dedication is down the drain now? I’ve lost count of the cost of this presidency and his run to get there.
I’ve got a application for Canadian citizenship sitting right here on my desk. The United States officially despises my gender.
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ms_xeno says:
Toonces:
…Also? Hillary is not Obama’s mommy.
No, she’s not. Just his obedient right hand. What next? If CIGNA has a female CEO and Kaiser does not, can’t I hate on both of them without being accused of “beating up” on teh poor helpless women in the overclass?
Oh, forget it. I see the door’s over there. Later, Folks.
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Toonces says:
It’s not that Hillary can’t be criticized, it’s that she can’t be singled out. It’s amazing how much people focus on her hawkishness while excusing and ignoring all the menfolk for theirs. The second it was announced we’d be escalating in Afghanistan people zeroed in on Hillary as if she’s pulling all the puppet strings.
I mean, if these people really cared about stopping war they’d be doing something more productive with their time than complaining about how awful Hillary is on the internet. But they get off making her the scapegoat.
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stateofdisbelief says:
@21 – Who’s to blame? When in doubt, just look under the tail. Isn’t that how it goes? Then again, if you can’t do that just scream “CLINTON!” The twofer on that one is priceless.
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Gayle says:
I wish feminists would devote one-tenth of their horror over Palin to examining Barack Obama with a clear eye, along with all the other Lords of Creation who run the world. Instead of endlessly beating up on other women.
Indeed.
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Branjor says:
There are about 120 male fetuses conceived per 100 females. At birth the sex ratio is approximately 105 males per 100 females, as males have a higher death rate in utero. This is just natural due to their weaker constitution and nothing can be done about it.
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Unree says:
Maybe you should check out Sapolsky’s research which indicates that it may be alpha male piggish behavior that causes their lifespan issues.
Link please? My google-fun isn’t thriving today and I’m curious.
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Cassie says:
Extra health care benefits and monies were handed out to specific groups at the last minute….Notice something? All these jobs are almost exclusively male:
“Who wins, who loses in Senate health bill
-Longshoremen. They were added to the list of workers in high-risk professions who are shielded from the full impact of a proposed new tax on high-value insurance plans.
-Electrical linemen were already included, along with policemen, firefighters, emergency first responders and workers in construction, mining, forestry, fishing and certain agriculture jobs.”
http://www.google.com/hostedne.....wD9CNAM2G1
It feels like the more I look the worse it gets.
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Grace says:
Despite all the fancy rethoric, hypnotic smooth words, artful “bamboozling,” maquiavellian triangulation, and nice bleached teeth, Obama’s opportunism and fakeness were crystal clear from the beginning. And you didn’t need to be a psychologist to pick it up. The women and men who voted for him did it with their genitalia, like Chris Mathews, not with their f…ing brains.
But Obama for sure hides his own skeletons in the closet, and they will come out like they did with any other president. The republicans and conservatives will do their homework when the time is right for them.
Wait for the likes of Larry Sinclair, Tony Redsko, Jeremiah Wright, the thugs from Chicago, etc., to come back from the dead to haunt Obama. Mark my words, because so far everything has happened as I predicted with this guy.
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stateofdisbelief says:
Unree @ 31,
While much of Sapolsky’s work is found in academic journals ([1] Sapolsky, R. M. (2004). Social Status and Health in Humans and Other Animals. Annual Review of Anthropology. 33: 393-418. and [2] Sapolsky, R. M. (August 2006). Social Cultures Among Nonhuman Primates : California Forum On Theory In Anthropology. Current Anthropology 47, 4), the studies he’s done with baboon culture, specifically the one relative to the alpha male piggishness that led to all of the alpha males in one troupe gorging themselves on tainted food leading to the entire demographic’s demise is profiled in this NYT article: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04.....lture.html and in the National Geographic video “Killer Stress.”
I also did a post on Sapolsky’s research about alpha males, stress, and resultant cultural reconditioning over at TC:
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stateofdisbelief says:
Also, here’s the wiki page on Sapolsky with additional information on his work.
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JSF says:
“I wish feminists would devote one-tenth of their horror over Palin to examining Barack Obama with a clear eye, along with all the other Lords of Creation who run the world. Instead of endlessly beating up on other women.”
One feminist who supports the Blogger Boyz and goes after Palin is Kathy Kattenberg at The Moderate Voice.
Read her work — she cheered on the process.
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Nessum says:
Grace at 9.36, Thank You!
You give me hope (no snark!), thank you!
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NotYoursweetie says:
Yeah, I have something to add:
@$%$&%$#@!!!!
And a special place in hell for Barbara Boxer who had the audacity to say “and we promised to stop Stupak, which we did”
In the spirit of “It took Nixon to go to China”, it had to be Democrats to kill Roe vs Wade. After all, the Hyde amendment was passed during Carter.
It’s a good thing we didn’t elect Palin, or who knows what would have happened to out right to choose, right?RIIIGHT??? -
Gladys says:
I agree with you Violet Socks. And I am not enthusiastic about this being fixed in congress. But what happened? When you have Barbara Boxer negotiating for women or Nancy Pelosi who by the say DOES have an excellent record – personal and public on wmoen’s issues. I believe it was the pressure to deliver for Obie.
By the way, half of the comments I read here are rich coming from some that ACTUALLY voted for McCain a self proclaimed, and consistent pro-lifer!!! Its like commenting on the same blog about plundering with the who supported gulags.
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Val says:
Ms_Xeno: I’ve been donating as often as I can to our Texas-charity-fund for women who need an abortion, the Lilith Fund.
http://www.lilithfund.org/
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cwaltz says:
At least with McCain one knew what one was getting. Furthermore, we expected the Dems might have actually kabuki danced a little more thoroughly if the opposition was in the WH. However, we bow to your superiority at voting for a person who duped you into believing he was giving you change and is torpedoing any chance that liberal ideas might be adopted any time in the immediate future. You go right on being the Democratic doormat since the smugness thing seems to work for you though Gladys.
