Stunning new development: women don’t count for shit
The latest godbag woman-hating news is from Buffalo, where a Muslim man has beheaded his wife because she was trying to divorce him. You can read this excellent press release from NOW-NY to get up to speed on the whole disgusting mess.
What I want to talk about is the reaction to this thing in the blogosphere, which basically boils down to “so what?” Women get killed by their partners all the time, goes the argument, so this is no big deal. Besides, Muslim men might get offended.
Horseshit. First of all, the fact that women are getting killed all the time is surely not a reason to remain silent on the matter. Secondly, I don’t give a good goddamn if Muslim men are offended. But more to the point, an honor killing carried out according to sharia law — which is what this certainly looks like — is similar to but not identical with the usual spouse-murder in the United States. Honor killings are a relatively new form of murderous misogyny in this country, and as such they ought to be of keen interest. And they would be, if we lived in a society where women’s lives were valued.
Think about how different the reaction would be if the victims weren’t women. Imagine, for example, if there were some new religious movement among fundamentalist Christians calling for them to murder their gay sons for the sake of family purity or something. Would people say, “ho-hum, we’ve had gay bashing before, no big deal. Certainly no reason to call attention to it. Wouldn’t want to offend the Christians.” Or imagine if some new form of racial discrimination came to light. Can you imagine people saying, “so what? We’ve always had racial discrimination. No need to get all worked up about this.”
Of course not. But some freakazoid godbaggery that shits on women is just fine. Maybe a little unpleasant to look at, but certainly nothing to call attention to. After all, we don’t want to be appear intolerant.
72 Responses to “Stunning new development: women don’t count for shit”
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quixote says:
The way godbagginess trumps all women’s rights, even life, is always amazing. As far as I can tell, the analysis on the left goes like this: “The Right is full of racist Islamophobes. Therefore I have to favor all things Muslim.” That way the “leftists” never have to use more than two neurons at a time, which is essential since they’d forget how to breathe if they dragged their third neuron into the circuit.
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Stray Yellar Dawg says:
Amen sister! Amen!!
Where is the outrage?
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Sherry says:
I read about this a couple of days ago…can’t remember where. The report I saw said the husband had been charged with “second-degree murder.” SECOND-DEGREE for beheading his wife???
The NOW press release you linked is good, but surely not enough to get the attention of the main-stream misogynist media.
Women of America, to arms!
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Anna Belle says:
Grrrr. I hadn’t heard about this, mostly because the airwaves are FILLED with the defensive voices of males sticking up for Chris EFFING Brown.
I’ll get modded for sure, but great god of fuckity-fuckness! Motherfucked! Crap on a stick and so much more. I am at my end.
I almost had a blood pressure incident this afternoon listening to some nameless British male holding a conversation on the BBC about Chris Brown and whether domestic violence was ever “understandable.” Not appropriate, mind you, but understandable, and this dickwad went on and on explaining how there was a difference, he just wasn’t going to define it. You know why? (he doesn’t, but I bet you do) There is no effing difference. Both words are attempts to justify continued patriarchy via violence against women. Full stop.
Then I had to listen on and on to African American males scholars protesting that black males have no other choice to “re-masculate” themselves by beating up on their women. It’s the natural result of their own feminization in culture. Because, see, it’s okay to HATE WOMEN, but you can no longer HATE MEN BY MAKING THEM WOMEN. Know why? They need ever last dick for defense of patriarchy.
If just one other woman would pick up a gun and fight the patriarchy, I swear I would give up my family, my job, & my security to join her.
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Anna Belle says:
Modded for cussing and calling for revolution. FTR.
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Sis says:
If it was a baby seal. Or a saw-whet owl. Or, oh my God a wolf shot from an airplane. Wailing, keening, renting, unmitigated horror.
A woman you say? A Muslim woman? That’s cultural you racist you.
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yttik says:
Thank you, Violet. This case is getting almost no attention in the media and what’s being said on the internet makes me want to check out of society and go live on the top of a mountain somewhere.
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Unree says:
@Sherry, that’s just a weird New York quirk–there’s no first-degree murder in that state.
Violet, do you have any links to shrugging in the blogosphere? I believe you, of course: I just want to puke for myself.
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MojaveWolf says:
Good to see you back, Violet!
Also, Bravo!
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sister of ye says:
With the homophobia Obama stirred, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a blase attitude to the killing of gay men in some “liberal” quarters. Of course, if it were a gay woman leaving her husband to be true to herself, the meme would be that she deserved it. Kind of a double whammy.
I used to hang out at a blog with a freewheeling comments section. When MA legalized gay marriage, the opinion among too many was that it was a terrible thing. It would cause a backlash that would hinder important liberal causes. There’d be a time for gay rights, just not then.
Thus it didn’t truly surprise me when the Hillary-hating started. “Sure, a woman, but not that woman.” Which woman? Never said. You can wait, someday the “right” woman will come along.
I’ve known many good religious people, but they believed in a God who didn’t need taxpayer funding. They would’ve been appalled at using religion as an excuse to execute a woman. Alas, their voice is getting dimmer, too.
If a religion preached animal sacrifice, liberals would (rightly) be up in arms. Kill a woman in the name of God, well, we have to be sensitive and understanding. We can’t sink to their level.
* Ptui! *
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Heidi says:
Great post, Violet. The excuses being made are really frustrating. This is why I go straight to Ayaan Hirsi Ali for guidance on violence against Muslim women. She wouldn’t be impressed with the media coverage on this one.
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Stray Yellar Dawg says:
Linking your rant in all three of my blogs this morning!
Again, Amen to you sister!!
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Briar says:
Honor killing isn’t islamic. It is tribal. Like FGC. Similary killing your daughter in law because her dowry was too small isn’t Hindu - it’s rooted in a patriarchal view of the world. There are lots of crimes against women which occur just because: because women are the “inferior” sex whose purpose is to incubate the heirs and service the heads of families, who are of course male. “Christian” societies have the same attitudes, expressed in different ways according to the dominant culture. Bigotry against muslims is widespread in our society and allowing the bigots to attack islam because of this, when they are probably just as misogynist in their views towards “their” women, is an enabling of injustice. Let’s keep our heads clear and the real target in sight: it is misogyny and the patriarchal mindset which encourages it. Fuelling witch hunts against an embattled minority won’t help muslim women at all.
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bluelyon says:
No words. Duly linked at Blue Lyon.
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gxm17 says:
Religion has been used as an excuse to repress and abuse women for pretty much as long as religion has been around. Our challenge is to get people to move past the idea that violence against women is part of the natural order.
I usually only visit female-friendly blogs so I’m unaware of what the testosterone wing of the left blogosphere is saying about this case. But given last year’s election, I don’t expect much from those sexist pigs. Seriously, we should stop calling them lefties or liberals because they are neither.
I’d love to see the NY NOW chapter organize a demonstration in an effort to spotlight this case. It’s time to start making noise. If we don’t do it now, we will regret it later. And I really don’t want my granddaughter living under sharia law.
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m Andrea says:
I think we’re supposed to notice how many peace loving muslims exist in all corners of the globe, and conveniently forget that Islam is based upon each lowly shepherd’s right to dominate 72 women after he ascends to his creator. The folks who shout that “jesus does it tooooo” as an excuse clearly do not comprehend the concept of degree.
Feminism would benefit greatly by replacing the term “domestic violence”. What do you call someone who not only engages in violent behavior, but also violates a position of extreme trust? How about using the term “religious persecution” to describe hurting your female relatives because your god hates women?
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Alwaysthinking says:
The second-degree murder charge appalls me. Why was it so labeled?
My outrage at what is happening in our society increases every day. Why, oh, why, did women help support the election of the man at top who by his actions and nonactions lends support to murder in the name of religion! Who cares if Muslim or any other men are offended. A young mother was blatantly murdered. Why are we allowing this kind of behavior in our country?
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Daisy P says:
I commented over on IBTP along the lines of - this dood was trying to “build bridges” of friendship between the Western culture and Muslim culture. So which members of those 2 cultures were he trying to get to hold hands? The male ones.
This just shows how invisible misogyny is,to all cultures. Misogyny is relevant to all cultures, and the men try to separate out their male cultures, and highlight differences, refusing to acknowledge the endemic misogyny that ties all of their male cultures together, refuse to speak about how women’s plight is just not important to them, and media refuses point blank to separate out the gender issues when as it pertains to each culture.
But to acknowledge that there is even a problem would make too many men feel guilty and it seems they must be protected from any triggers which might prompt them to look at themselves and ask questions.
This poor woman had tried to leave her abusive husband, and this is what happened to her. If he hated her so much, why did he not just divorce her?
And yes, if the roles had been reversed, the woman would be all over the papers and the internet, branded a monster, and the media would have a field day, in their efforts to cover their own misogyny, reinforce this misogyny, and enabling men to remain guilt-free.
Not only killed her, beheaded her FFS!
And hardly a peep out of the media.
Sad and depressing. Entitlement wins again.
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T.I. says:
Violet, over the weekend, the story was covered on at least 2 blogs, with references to reports from MSNBC and The Buffalo News–
“Founder of U.S. Muslim TV Network Beheads Wife”
Sugar N Spice blog, February 14, 2009
http://sugarnspice.typepad.com.....-wife.htmlThat same day, Uppity Woman cited Sugar’s post and added other details:
“Happy Valentine’s Day from Sharia Law and the Missing Link”
Uppity Woman blog, February 14, 2009
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.....ment-42658Comments are still being added there. The discussion quickly branched out as usual, ranging from questions about 1st versus 2nd degree murder charges, to OT analyses of Obama, and many also about actions and statements that were/weren’t coming from NOW-NYS.
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T.I. says:
Still have doubts about national press attention but…
The Buffalo News did put a related update on the newspaper’s website this morning.
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“Possibility of ‘honor killing’ mulled in Orchard Park slaying”
http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/581540.html
by Fred O. Williams
“The gruesome death of Orchard Park resident Aasiya Zubair Hassan– who was found decapitated– and the arrest of her estranged husband are drawing widespread attention about the role that the couple’s religion may have played.”
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Violet says:
Oh by all means, Briar, let’s do “keep our heads clear.” Islam and Christianity and the other godbag religions do not float above patriarchy like some revelation from the Andromeda Galaxy. They are rooted in and expressive of the “misogyny and the patriarchal mindset” which you inform us should be our real target. I’m fed to the teeth with people who bleat that Christinity is all about love and Islam is all about peace, and godbags who use the Bible or sharia to enforce woman-hating have nothing to do with their religious confreres, nope, no connection there at all.
As for the “embattled minority” bullshit, nice of you to be more concerned about the fee-fees of Muslim men than about the pandemic of violence against the female half of the human race.
I’ve been dealing with Muslim misogyny in one way or another since the early 1980s, and I swear to God, the invasion of Iraq is the worst thing that could have happened, because it’s made all the brainless liberals think they have to support Islam no matter what.
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bluelyon says:
It’s linked at the Reno Gazette-Journal web site. It looks like the story is picking up steam.
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Sis says:
Will someone please tell me what is “FGC”
Perhaps, you can do this for me, Briar?
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Nora says:
I believe the only way women can eradicate the cultural acceptance of mysogyny and violence against women is through violence.
I know that is radical, but I really believe we need to take ourselves into the streets with guns blazing.
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Sis says:
Google logged the first stories on this on February 15th. There are now, including duplicates from wire services, 550, and including one, a letter to the editor, from a clinical medicine professor in Toronto decrying this unjust “vilification of Islam”, in reponse to a Star columnist’s calling it that.
Associated Press and Reuters only got onto it within the past 15 hours, according to the Google line-up.
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Violet says:
There were 55 stories in Google news when NOW-NY issued their press release. In 24 hours it’s expanded by an order of magnitude.
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song says:
Thank you Dr. Socks for saying what I think.
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Sis says:
With this as part of The Star report:
“Under sharia law followed by Muslims, a woman can ask for a divorce, but only a man can grant the request, and he can refuse, according to a book on sharia published last month, Cruel and Usual Punishment, by Egyptian-born American author Nonie Darwish.
Under Islamic law, crimes such as apostasy (leaving Islam), adultery, theft or drinking alcohol are punishable by beheading, stoning, amputation of limbs or flogging, the book says.”
WP has a bio on Darwish.
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Sis says:
Violet my post was intended to show how little attention they paid this until long after the fact, in news time.
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anna says:
What can/should we do to stop horrors like this from happening in the future?
What do you think Violet?
All I can think of is writing to the newspapers and media and demanding coverage.
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orlando says:
Briar, as long as religion is being used to justify, excuse, support and normalize misogyny the religious have a responsibility to address it. If they don’t they are colluding, and they are misongynists, and we will call them on it.
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T.I. says:
Briar claims,
“Honor killing isn’t islamic. It is tribal.”I did a quick mental tally of nation-states that are majority Muslim and currently tribal to varying degrees. I also noted regions populated by a variety of Muslim and non-Muslim tribes, with the latter instead being the numerical majority.
Briar, how do you explain the ongoing practice of honour killings by Muslim males in
A.} majority-Muslim, mostly tribal nations in which there is no such tradition among non-Muslim tribes within the same country?
and also
B.} nations with a mix of tribes, where only the Islamic ones exhibit the practice,
especially when
C.} the Islamic one is a minority surrounded by tribes without such a tradition?
You raise then dismiss the roles of 3 religions; I’ll add a fourth just to sweeten the pot.
Hinduism and Islam, along with Judaism and Christianity of course, are constructs of the patriarchy. They are rooted in patriarchy. They are used to justify honour killings and every other tactic and tool in men’s war against women across the world. You’re trying to pluck apart each piece and pretend your current selection, the religion of Islam, is somehow not connected to the others in that war.
Nora, here’s a thought for you.
Organized and focused force to deal with specific problems is always more effective than street violence. If you’re going to take to the streets, then do it to put a screeching halt to traffic and business as usual. Make the Million Men March and the immigrant May Day Protest both look like bridge club meetings.
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T.I. says:
Sis says,
“Google logged the first stories on this on February 15th.”Google is wrong. They’re wrong in a lot more ways than this, but I know for a fact that reports on the Hassan murder started earlier, as attested by my initial posting in this thread. Visit the 2 blog links I gave and see the news excerpts. There were MSM reports on Feb 13th at the very least.
The increase in media and blog coverage may have less to do with NOW-NYS’s press release than with the discussion picking up steam once people got past the weekend and the holiday, and also started sharing links like Sugar’s and Uppity Woman’s.
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gxm17 says:
If he hated her so much, why did he not just divorce her?
Because she was his property. He didn’t kill her out of hate or love. He killed her in defense of his property rights. It’s the whole “if I can’t have (own) you, nobody else will” mindset. And this mindset is deeply ingrained in most religions. Religious misogyny informs the patriarchy and perpetuates the fallacy that women are half humans and are under men’s dominion.
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Sis says:
Google logged stories beginning Feb 15. Does Google log MSM (whatever that is). Doesn’t really matter in the context here, does it, TI?
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T.I. says:
Sis replies,
“Google logged stories beginning Feb 15.”Yup, I understand that from the above posts.
Problem is, Sis, that the stories began at least *2* days earlier than Google seemingly wants you to believe! As the The Buffalo News reported– cited in Sugar’s and Uppity Woman’s blog postings on the 14th– Hassan was arrested on Thursday, the 12th.
You note above that the A.P. wire service missed it until today, the 17th! WTF. They should have been among the first to get it, perhaps late on the 12th or certainly in the morning hours of Feb 13th.
The A.P. could have picked it up from The Buffalo News. At the same time, Google should have picked up Uppity Woman’s Feb 14th posting. Google’s earch engine does have matches to numerous other pages she posted recently. Why not her St Valentines Day page on the Hassan murder?
Sis, think twice about trusting Google.
You ask,
“Does Google log MSM (whatever that is).”{m}ain{s}tream {m}edia
Yes, Google obviously links to MSM reports. Yet for this story, they failed to pick up the MSM reports to which I’m referring in my links. Please read Uppity Woman’s article, I beg you, and at least skim a few of the comments. You’ll see Sugar’s work on this, and you’ll see what’s good, bad and ugly in the coverage by Google, AP and the rest.
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T.I. says:
Sis, here’s another URL for The Buffalo News website, where I found what might be the very earliest MSM report:
time/date stamped as “Updated: 02/13/09 09:54 PM”
http://www.buffalonews.com/258/story/578644.html
“Prominent Orchard Park man charged with beheading his wife”
authored by staff reporter Gene WarnerDoes anybody here besides me think that Google and the A.P. should have picked up and/or linked to Gene Warner’s Feb 13th article in The Buffalo News!?
Go ask Google why they took 2 more days and STILL haven’t gotten it right. Ask A.P. why they took until today.
I’m past expecting a straight answer from them.
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yttik says:
It is so insanely inappropriate to lecture women about the need for religious tolerance when we’re all standing here looking at a decapitated woman.
You would think we could be granted 8 seconds to mourn before being instructed to run out and make sure no Muslim feelings are hurt.
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Sis says:
Google doesn’t cover news. It logs other coverage.
AP has no such excuse.
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T.I. says:
Sis says.
“Google doesn’t cover news. It logs other coverage.”I referred to Google in terms of their main role as a search engine. However, keep in mind that in the past several years, Google acquired a lot of other companies & technologies to enable them to offer many other services, such as YouTube, which of course does carry a lot of news content.
Google failed to promptly and fully cover, or include, or index, or “log” if you prefer that word– in their search engine– webpages with news and blog articles on the Hassan murder. Many such webpages available since as early as Feb 13th, possibly the 12th, apparently weren’t being linked/included/logged by Google, according to your own post here mentioning their Feb 15th start date.
The Google Corporation either is incompetent or is engaging in censorship. No excuses for Google either.
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Anna Belle says:
Agree, yttik.
Disclaimer: No Muslim penises were harmed in the drafting of this post.
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Anna Belle says:
Crap, modded for disclaiming!
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m Andrea says:
During the election campaign, YouTube was quite protective of Obama in all the comments. Everything had to contain some acknowledgement of his brilliance in order to not have the comment declared “racist” and then deleted. Meanwhile, the most vile things about Hillary passed unnoticed even with complaint reports filed.
It does look deliberate when supposedly such a great seach engine routinely misses the scoop — but only when the subject is misogyny. I wonder how they compare to other search engines on similar subjects?
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bluefont says:
From the Yahoo article, quoting the former news director at the Muslim TV network the couple founded and ran:
“I just do not feel it was an honor killing,” [Nancy] Sanders added. “I think it was domestic abuse that got out of control.”
Like there’s a difference. The term “domestic abuse” is too pastel and fluffy to describe hatred and brutal violence against women. Even “honor killing” makes it sound noble and defensible. How about something like “savage hatred murder,” or even “hate crime”? It would at least be more honest.
@Sis: FGM is female genital mutilation. MSM is mainstream media.
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Sis says:
If you have a point to make, make it. Otherwise,
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Daisy P says:
Ref - Andrea’s post 43
There is definitely a conspiracy. It may not have started out that way, but it is now.
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gxm17 says:
All I know is that yesterday, 5 full days after the crime had occurred, CNN.com finally reported it on its front page. My co-worker came into my office to vent about this horrible murder which he thought was breaking news. He was stunned when I told him that it had happened last week and if it wasn’t for the NY NOW chapter and angry bloggers it would have been quietly disappeared.
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Gayle says:
I read the Shakes post on this and the thread seemed to echo what Briar wrote here.
“yttik says:
It is so insanely inappropriate to lecture women about the need for religious tolerance when we’re all standing here looking at a decapitated woman.”
Yes! That’s exactly what bothered me about the Shakes thread. The issue of violence against women, indeed, this woman herself was completely lost in the ensuing, oh so politically correct, discussion.
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T.I. says:
Big thx to m Andrea for comment #43!
I had intended to make my next post, if necessary, about Google’s censorship of bloggers for the same Pro-Obama-Only policy they imposed at YouTube.
Sis, please listen to us here. What Google is doing affects you every time you visit websites.
Countless blogger*dot*com sites were shut down by Google when the people simply criticized Obama. A lot of them moved, either by necessity or choice, over to WordPress, and began to boycott Google. Meanwhile, Google never raised a finger against their bloggers who repeatedly gave a verbal & graphic middle finger to Hillary Rodham Clinton.
As Daisy P. suggests in #45, some people are still blinded by Google’s huge PR campaign of pretending to be Good Geeks Who Always Play Nice. It’s no wonder Google gave money and invaluable technical help to the “Brilliant Populist Constitutional Law Scholar & Community Activist” aka shyster corporate lawyer and real-estate crook, now known as POTUS.
Yes, it’s censorship, yes, it’s a deliberate plan.
And sorry Sis, but yes it is directly relevant to this thread because with Google’s pattern of censorship, the corporation is partly responsible for suppressing stories such as the murder of Aasiya Hassan.
I suppose Google’s surveillance and invasions of privacy will have to wait for some other thread….
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Datechguy says:
I do want to make one slight correction. The right side of the sphere has been all over this since it broke. Mark Steyn at NRO in fact had a very relevant point which I repeated on my blog and which I will quote here:
“Look at the late Aasiya Hassan, beautifully coiffed, glossy-lipped. On countless occasions since 9/11, I’ve found myself at lunch or dinner in New York, London, Washington, Paris or some other western city, sitting next to a modern Muslim woman like Mrs Hassan telling me how horrified she is at how hijabs and burqas, honor killings and genital mutilation, forced cousin marriages and the disproportionate number of Muslim wives in European battered women’s shelters, how all these have come to define Muslim womanhood in the 21st century. Yet Aasiya Hassan ended up no differently”
The media’s ignoring of this story is a disgrace, particularly since it appears to be another “honor killing”. It appears that fear of offending Islam trumps headless women. Quite a disgrace.
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Toonces says:
Wasn’t Google running Change.gov?
I wish I had taken a daily screenshot of the generic Google news page during the campaign/election season. Every time a story about Hillary made it to the page, it was baaaad and there was a horrible picture of her. Every story on Obama…well, you know the rest.
The media is completely broken and it’s absolutely the cause of the mess we’re in. If we had real news and were an informed populous, we could make rational decisions that don’t just benefit the top 1% (of doodz).
Also, I have been wondering, what would it take to get the search term “violence against women” to have one of the highest numbers of hits on teh Google? If every feminist blogger mentioned “violence against women” once a week or something??
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Sis says:
You haven’t been reading me for very long have you TI?
“Please listen to *us* Sis”.
Please read before you bore me to death with the sound of your voice. I have a low tolerance for masturbatory writing.
It’s not a conspiracy. It’s misogyny, exactly the way it’s not some mentally ill whacko but a tolerated hate crime. Whatever the culture, however the death.
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slythwolf says:
Even if it was his dog, there would be more of an uproar than when it’s a woman.
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T.I. says:
Sis intoned,
“You haven’t been reading me for very long have you TI?”You can’t let a good turn go unstoned, can you Sis? Reading you for very long is not likely to ever be a problem.
If you’re bored to death, then try walking toward the light. If your tolerance is low, you need only judge yourself.
You say to me,
“It’s not a conspiracy. It’s misogyny.”Daisy P and I are unique individuals; it is disrespectful to lump us together. Daisy P referred to conspiracy while I referred to censorship. Neither term cancels out misogyny– both are tools used by the patriarchy.
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Sis says:
Interesting you should say that slythwolf. There were around 40 stories logged on google below this story, about some animal being abused or beheaded. Didn’t stop to read. But you’re absolutely right. I posted to that point above. Dogs, saw-whet owls, seals. Anything.
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Keri says:
In something of a defense of Briar there are numerous Muslim movements against Sharia law, and they give as their basis for fighting against Sharia law that Sharia is a distortion of the Koran and comes more from a secondary text- the Hadith, which is quaetioned a lot more than the Koran is. Some Muslims discount the Hadith entirely.
Certainly I’d agree whole heartedly that all organized religions enforce misogyny. But just as in Christiniaty, there are a number of Muslims who find spiritual comfort in their faith but struggle to eliminate the misogyny they see in it’s practice. There’s too much a tendency to lump all Muslims as believing in one way, that’s no more true than saying Rick Warren’s beliefs are the beliefs of all Christians.
Some links to Muslim groups and people against Sharia law as it is used as a weapon of misogyny and hatred toward non Muslims:
http://www.averroes-foundation.....islam.html
Professor Riffat Hassan (she was one of my professors at the university I attended and still is one there now.)
http://www.islamfortoday.com/hassan01.htmThis woman really asks crucial questions, I’m going to have to read her book.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi.....p;n=507846This Wikipedia article isn’t bad, and has some good links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_feminismAnd Turkey is trying to make a form of Islam that isn’t misogynist:
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Violet says:
There’s too much a tendency to lump all Muslims as believing in one way, that’s no more true than saying Rick Warren’s beliefs are the beliefs of all Christians.
True, but I, for one, have never said that. What I’ve said — and will say again — is that it is pure denialism to pretend that misogynists like Rick Warren and all those mullahs aren’t using religion as the basis for their doctrine. They are, and it’s been going on for centuries. The 47 enlightened Christians in the world and the 32 enlightened Muslims don’t cancel out all the woman-hating godbags waving around the Bible and the Koran.
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quixote says:
To the commenter who asked about what FGC stands for: female genital circumcision. Except that in the case of women, “circum” isn’t the right term. It’s more like excision. Female genital mutilation is closer to reality, but there’s a school of thought that considers it rude and insensitive to say things like that. Mutilation is such an uncomfortable word. And it’s very important not to offend other cultures. We wouldn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings.
Possibly, you’re thinking that this has to be hurting the women involved. Don’t worry. Women, like clams, don’t actually feel pain.
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dances says:
Maybe if small bands of women start prowling the night streets and indiscrimately cut off dicks, they’ll get the point.
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bonneyanne says:
Just to address the Google issue here:
(excellent post, Dr. VS, as usual):I started looking for alternate search engines a couple of years ago when I noticed Google couldn’t find my home page, even when it was their frickin blogspot. Then came the news that Google unashamedly threw their searches for Obama. And then the news that Google’s in the queue for favors. Surprise, surprise.
Clusty.com is an alternative. (Ask.com got desperate and went for pornography). Yahoo, as someone mentioned in the comments above, is another. There should be others. Google is as amoral as any aspiring monopoly.
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m Andrea says:
Quixote, that’s the same school of thought which believes the appropriate term for unwanted and unconsensual copulation is “surprise sex”. Thanks for the google replacement.
The 47 enlightened Christians in the world and the 32 enlightened Muslims don’t cancel out all the woman-hating godbags waving around the Bible and the Koran.
I am so glad to see Violet say that. Because the underlying principle is: measure the harm, not the number of nice guys.
A person in denial, when confronted with an overwhelming amount of harm comitted upon one group, will always focus their attention on the amount of nice guys.
To measure the amount of harm, one measures the amount of harm. The person in denial cannot cope with the amount of harm comitted, usually because the amount is so enormous that a reasonable reaction would be take the entity causing such gross harm and remove it from it’s position of authority and influence.
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m Andrea says:
One comment is still in moderation.
What I’ve said — and will say again — is that it is pure denialism to pretend that misogynists like Rick Warren and all those mullahs aren’t using religion as the basis for their doctrine.
But the other thing Violet, is that religion is just the excuse for doing what they wanted all along. It still doesn’t address original cause.
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Sis says:
I know well what FGC is. It’s an acronym meaning mealy mouthed coward invisibilizing the genocidal torture done to women. It’s also, what about the menz? Wa wa.
It ranges from cutting down and removing, to the bone, the vulvar area with clitoris and sometimes including the vagina and sewing it shut–to some of that. It’s done to a nearly grown girl without anaesthetic. It’s done because the patriarchy of the girl’s culture demands it. It’s never equal to circumcision which is snipping a 2 cm long bit of ligatmentous type tissue at birth. Wa Wa.
In the west it includes episiotomy, cesaerean sections, hysterectomy, female castration, mastectomy, genital plastic surgery, fertility treatments, and various unnecessary but highly lucrative gyne surgeries, done by the male gyne profession. It also includes tubal ligation and IUDs, done because men won’t use a condom or get a vasectomy wa wa.
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bluelyon says:
Wrong link. Here is the correct one
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Sis says:
I just got a Wordpress log in. What do I do with that?
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Sis says:
Very sorry. Working and blogging = Bad mix.
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bluelyon says:
Violet, can you delete comment #64?
I gave my blog edit link instead of the real one which is in comment #65.
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T.I. says:
bluelyon,
You can speak from personal experience about Google’s blogspot.com, where the company’s so-called spam-prevention robots turned on you and locked you out last year. You moved to your current wordpress.com address (in June of 2008 acc’g to your page), along with a lot of people who supported Hillary and/or criticized Obama.
Here are 2 more examples, still active:
Hillary or Bust
USED TO BE “hillaryorbust.blogspot.com”
moved to
http://hillaryorbust.com/Native Americans Against Obama
USED TO BE “reflections-in-tyme.blogspot.com”
deleted & replaced; current blog at
http://nativeamericanrights.wordpress.com/I just read about another trick used by Google to censor blogs when the company disapproves of their viewpoints. The company imposes a word-verification restriction on the blogger, making new posts a pain and often impossible. As with the false spam reports, the problem keeps repeating and Google won’t respond to messages.
Google’s heavy-handedness doesn’t suddenly vanish when the subject is violence against women, such as the Hassan murder story. For at least a couple of days, Google’s flagship service, the search engine, suppressed links to blog articles and even MSM reports, such as Uppity Woman’s February 14th post and The Buffalo News’ Feb 13th report, which I mentioned in comments #19 and #37 early in this thread.
Google’s behaviour colours the entire meaning of this thread because of the company’s obvious effects on the blogosphere and on the sharing of news.
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RKMK says:
FWIW, I had a standing Google News Alert for “Hillary Clinton” during the primaries, so I could keep abreast of what she was up to, and every day the most vile, biased, contentless articles would end up in my inbox depicting her invariably as a harpy/shrew/power-crazed monster, etc. I thought at the time that CDS was just more prevalent than I had supposed, and just turned off the alert, but in the discussion here, the conspiracy-theorist in me is now casting a jaundiced eye at Google.
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bonobobabe says:
and conveniently forget that Islam is based upon each lowly shepherd’s right to dominate 72 women after he ascends to his creator.
Not just 72 women…72 perpetual virgins.
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T.I. says:
RKMK concurs,
“the conspiracy-theorist in me is now casting a jaundiced eye at Google.”I don’t know when people started dumping such a bad rep on top of the word ‘conspiracy’ but its original legal meaning does describe the company’s discriminatory behaviour.
from section “The Nature of the Conspiracy”
by Elizbeth de la Vega
http://www.tomdispatch.com/pos.....ial_fraud_
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In criminal law, a conspiracy is an agreement “between two or more persons” to follow a course of conduct that, if completed, would constitute a crime.
–from “Conspiracy defined & explained”
http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c103.htm
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a ‘conspiracy’ is an agreement or a kind of ‘partnership’ in criminal purposes in which each member becomes the agent or partner of every other member. In order to establish a conspiracy offense it is not necessary [...] that those who were members had entered into any formal type of agreement; or that the members had planned together all of the details of the scheme
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Kiuku says:
Men can unite on only one thing: collective hatred of women. You see this played out in peace agreements that rest on Sharia law being implemented upon women in Kenya. You see this being attempted when Obama throws out contraceptives in an attempt to unite democrats with republicans. I’m not linking Obama to Kenya, but these two examples come to mind rather quickly. There are hundreds and you see this being played out everywhere. Peace among men can only happen with complete subjugation and domination of women, if they could agree on how to do it.
But you see, men refuse to exist as human beings without dominating and controlling women. At the base of all confict is the fear of the man that he will lose his right to dominate some woman somewhere.
This is why the only option for the future of mankind is to destroy the men. It becomes very clear. Whether it will ever happen ..I don’t know. The human race might become a cesspool of disease and war before then.
