Palin takes on the cheeto dicks
“…some blogger, probably sitting in his parents’ basement in his pajamas…”
I’ve only had a chance to watch Part 1 so far.
54 Responses to “Palin takes on the cheeto dicks”
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myiq2xu says:
“…some blogger, probably sitting in his parents’ basement in his pajamas…”
Is that a bad thing?
November 11th, 2008 at 1:37 am EST -
Violet says:
Reputable bloggers eat Cheez-its, not Cheetos.
And no basements.
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Sandra S. says:
I loved this interview. I find her so refreshing and unpretentious. She’s clearly speaking off the cuff and from the heart. It makes me so sad to think of the hit-job pulled on her this year. At this point (and this is pathetic), I really think that the Republican party is the one with all of the integrity. If Palin ran in 2012, I think I’d take her over anyone except Hillary.
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Yanni Znaio says:
Sandra S. says:
I loved this interview. I find her so refreshing and unpretentious. She’s clearly speaking off the cuff and from the heart. It makes me so sad to think of the hit-job pulled on her this year. At this point (and this is pathetic), I really think that the Republican party is the one with all of the integrity. If Palin ran in 2012, I think I’d take her over anyone except Hillary.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:45 am EST
That’s the Magic Of Palin.
She’s AUTHENTIC.
Unlike Obama.
Unlike Biden.
Unlike, even, McCain.And, to my small-l libertarian ears, there was one set of lips out of all four of the above from whom the words “smaller government” and “lower taxes” emerged.
And that set of lips had lipstick on it.
Look for Palin to get more exposure to the media over the next four years, and have a chance to study up on things.
2012 might just be interesting.
YZ
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Briar says:
Don’t get carried away by polarisation. Republicans are trying to destroy Palin too. Not only is she a woman, she is working class. Remember, for eight years one of the reasons why they hated Bill Clinton was because he was essentially white trash contaminating the White House. Well, Obama and his Mom-in-Chief wifey are definitely aristocratic in mein and bearing, which is doubtless part of why they were chosen to be the First Family. But Sarah Palin is one of the common folks, and not ashamed of it. A reason why we might like her, but why the political elite hate her.
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slythwolf says:
This blogger basically lives in a basement, but that’s because these apartments don’t have air conditioning and the partially-underground ones are cooler in the summer.
Man, I like her. And it’s hard, it’s so hard now, because large numbers of my feminist friends have wholeheartedly bought into all these smears, so I just don’t even know who to talk to anymore. Ginmar for one told me Sarah Palin wanted to burn books. Not even ban them, burn them. And at the time I believed her, because I thought Ginmar was someone who checked her facts.
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kenoshaMarge says:
Media bias was not just “towards” Obama, it was definitely “against” first Hillary Clinton and the Sarah Palin. And women gleefully participated in the misogyny.
Until women wake up and realize that those in power in this country DO NOT like or respect women they will never have equality. And since 56% of the women in this country preferred to vote for a second-rate man over a first-rate women we can see that for now and the foreseeable future, we who want equality will be held in check by those that do not.
They may talk the talk, but when push comes to shove, they’ll take the pat on the head or ass over caring about equality for themselves and their female descendants. They are beneath contempt.
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votermom says:
I heart Palin.
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Beth H. says:
““…some blogger, probably sitting in his parents’ basement in his pajamas…”
Is that a bad thing?”
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I took that to mean that the statements of these regular people were given the same weight as well researched and fact checking reporting. -
Yanni Znaio says:
““…some blogger, probably sitting in his parents’ basement in his pajamas…”
Somebody (Mapes? Rather?) said that during the Memogate scandal in an attempt to discredit the media.
I thought it funny that she would borrow that particular phrase, because it’s become cliched by by now, like “it is what it is” has.
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pacific-cali says:
I love Palin too. Such a breath of fresh air.
Did anyone notice the headlines today re Michelle obama asking HRC for advice? This, the day after HRC was told that her imput on (healthcare) policy wouldn’t be needed. Again reinforcing that women are only useful, only of value in the realm of childrearing & housekeeping.
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Ciccina says:
Yes, I noticed all coverage of Michelle “not seeking a seat at the table” as if that was a good thing.
Its amazing. She’s been Barack’s equal partner (I presume) for the whole ride, but unlike dozens of other long-term supporters / experts, she doesn’t get a substantial policy or political position. Why? Because she’s his wife, and wives are still expected to be one kind of person and not another, certainly not someone who is equal to the man of the house. She’s opting to be the traditional Homemaker-in-Chief.
Hillary paid a huge price for challenging this convention 16 years ago. Thanks, Michelle, for ducking the fight (and your responsibility to other women).
Why would she ask Hillary for advice? She should be talking to Laura.
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Yanni Znaio says:
Ciccina:
…She’s opting to be the traditional Homemaker-in-Chief…
I didn’t drink the Kool-Aid.
I won’t eat the cookies, either.
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sister of ye says:
Michelle Obama chucked her working class origins over the side just as soon as she could. “$600 would buy a pair of earrings.” Yeah, and pay my rent, electricity, water and natural gas. But then, I buy my earrings at the teen store, not a jewelers. (Hey, they got cute and quirky stuff.)
That’s why they can’t forgive Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin - the two can navigate the social waters, but it’s not their priority. They’re not able or willing to forget the day-to-day lives that most of us live - you know, reality. These two women don’t forget that real people get hurt when the DC crowd treats the trivial as serious, and serious things (like war) as trivial.
This election season has brought out the French revolutionary in me, and I’m not even French. “We don’t even have our own language, just these stupid accents.”
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Kiuku says:
It’s B.S that she even has to defend wardrobe criticisms. Because it is a double bind. And also because no one is talking about Obama’s suits. A custom tailored business suit for a man, the kind a Presidential nominee would be wearing, good ones go for about 25,000.
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octogalore says:
Pacific-cali — Wow, I missed that HRC was sent packing re healthcare. Do you have a link for that? I’m curious as to the stated rationale. That’s mind-boggling.
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Anna Belle says:
Why would she ask Hillary for advice? She should be talking to Laura.
She already did, months ago.
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Kiuku says:
I don’t think I could live with myself if I voted Democrat, or if I supported the Democratic party and the media in any way, during this election. I don’t think I could live with myself, knowing that I would die, and that I would die a hypocrite and an oppressor.
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Kiuku says:
The funny thing, the enigma about Patriarchal religion is full of men trying to get to heaven, but if there is a God, and God is good, men do not go to heaven. Men do not pass.
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TheOtherDelphyne says:
I just listened to Sarah’s interview, part 3 - she is talking about The New Agenda, not specifically by name, but her ideas on the subject of women talking with each other and finding common ground - it’s TNA.
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m Andrea says:
MO is a doormat, which is why the misogynistic folks like her. Do not mistake shouty for a spine.
She is qualified to speak about kitchen duty and tea service for the Ladies Auxiliary Luncheon. Black girls have that has a role model and we can look forward to four years of the press lauding her servile demeanor.
MO asking Hillary for advice is like the Head Housekeeper asking a CEO for tips on tableservice.
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Kiuku says:
The media and our generation is all about teaching women not to be Feminists. The road to true happiness is not seeking a seat at the table. And women proudly display how much they are not Feminists, or hate Feminists, and get, temporarily, rewarded.
Black women have higher expectations placed on them to be servile to men.
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Sis says:
I don’t like to see Michelle Obama trashed. Whatever she is, she is a woman, too.
On the subject of cheetos and basement bloggers; I don’t know what Palin meant, but most radical feminists know what WE mean when we use that term. Radical feminists blogs have been hit and destroyed by ‘basement bloggers’ who crashed their blogs, cost them money and pain, caused them to stop blogging in fear for their lives. Some other self-described feminist bloggers joined in with the basement bloggers who do that. For kicks. Always so fun to beat up on women. Gives them a feeling of power. In many cases, the only way they can ever achieve that. I believe many ‘basement bloggers’ were officially and unoffically working for the Obama campaign.
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Sis says:
Help. I’m watching the Sarah (ROCKS) videos online, and I can’t find parts 2 and 3.
Linkey s’il vous plait?
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Kiuku says:
I’m so grateful for this years election in exposing the underbelly, and showing that no, Democrat men are not progressive, and they are not liberal, in the true meaning of the term. I really think that we will have a fairly aweful 4 year term here, but this will show once again that Democrats have bad presidencies, and change while necessary at times, isn’t always good. I think this is a historic moment in women’s oppression but I also think it is necessary to move forward in Feminism. This year we had two outstanding women in our race, and the men called it a Vagina epilogue. Well I say we make the epilogue an epic, and bring Feminism to the forefront of table discussions.
The glass ceilings are there, and are being reinforced and pushed on us, but if anyone can break it, it’s Sarah. So I hope she runs again in 2012.
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TheOtherDelphyne says:
Uppity has parts 3 and 4; No Quarter has all 4.
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m Andrea says:
Kiuku, I gave up on religion when I realized that if Jesus really did walk the earth, he had the perfect opportunity to loudly insist on equal rights for women. The apologists always reply that he was quiet on women’s unequal status because “he had to work within the prevailing beliefs of the time”.
Bullpockey. He was outspoken on everything else. I swear the primary purpose of any religion is to control women. A god who commands half his creation to dominate the other half of his creation is no god.
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Kiuku says:
You’re so right, Andrea. Men wrote the bible. Jesus might have been outspoken on women’s equality. We’ll never know, because men made the religion, along with killing women. They just dug up an ancient burial of a woman shaman. Atleast Feminism has brought us to a time when we can dig up ancient burials of women and call them for what they are, warriors or shamans.
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Sis says:
Thanks TOD. Thanks Uppity.
Say, this Greta is some grand. I should get television, maybe?
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octogalore says:
Sis has a good point on Michelle Obama. She shouldn’t be trashed or called simply a doorman, IMO.
There are a few things she’s specifically said, though, that I have a hard time with, and I’m hoping she gives us reasons to put these in context or move past them.
1) She said if someone couldn’t manage their own house, they couldn’t manage the white house — in relation to HRC’s being cheated on. A bunch of reasons why this isn’t accurate or feminist.
2) She said of Laura Bush that “she doesn’t fuel the fire,” which struck me in the context in which she said it as a direct slap to HRC and possibly, although I’d love to be proven wrong, a suggestion that pushing the envelope on feminism is wrong.
3) She said she wasn’t a feminist. To her credit, she also said she probably subscribed to many feminist principles. Now, it could be that she said this because she felt feminist wasn’t sufficiently inclusive and preferred to call herself a womanist, or another term that meant she believed women are equal. But then, why didn’t she clarify that? What she said is that she didn’t like labels. However, labels are a fact of life — teacher, president, lawyer, anti-racist, environmentalist. What is it about “feminist” that she didn’t like? I’m curious about that.
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octogalore says:
doorman=doormat, sorry typo
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Kiuku says:
Yea that pisses me off. Black women have to deal with racism more than black men, because as a woman they are less human, and therefore racism on black women is acceptable. Black women have the additional burden of being blamed for the success or failures of their men, of the entire black race. And black women are taught that they need to be like the quintessential European white woman who is, essentially Betty Crocker, and that if they are like this their black men will be successful. So they have more pressures to start with.
As far as number 1 is concerned, managing the household, if it were a requirement for a female candidate to run, that her significant male other has not messed around, we would have very few qualified female candidates.
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Sis says:
The issues, not the woman. Otherwise, what separates us from “them”, those who went after Clinton and Palin soley with that perspective.
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Ali says:
A little off topic but still about Sarah Palin…. Has anyone seen this? Rachel Maddow in “Sarah Palin Annotated”…. This video is gleefully linked at a very popular young feminist website called “Feministing”.
http://www.feministing.com/arc.....l#comments
I don’t watch her regularly, but I’ve been disappointed to see Maddow smugly dismissive of sexism during this election (toward both Hillary and Palin). And this commentary is superficial and mocking.
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Yanni Znaio says:
sister of ye:
…But then, I buy my earrings at the teen store, not a jewelers. (Hey, they got cute and quirky stuff.)
Then I’ll probably run into you at Delia’s or Hot Topic when I’m shopping there with my daughter.
This election season has brought out the French revolutionary in me, and I’m not even French. “We don’t even have our own language, just these stupid accents.”
I’ve got a good ear for languages, but I failed miserably at trying to learn French from CDs.
Every time I put one in the player, I heard Inspector Clouseau.
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Yanni Znaio says:
I misspoke.
Somebody (Mapes? Rather?) said that during the Memogate scandal in an attempt to discredit the
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m Andrea says:
When someone has limited choices, and all those choices are poor, it becomes even more critical to pick the least harmful outcome. Patting women on the head for choosing the worst possible choice becomes an enabling mechanism. It says that women have zero agency and zero responsibility.
It says that being a doormat is women’s only option — which is indentical to patriarchal ideology. The most brainwashed slave will always become angry when told she has other choices…
Some women are so beaten down and tired that for them to take a different and harder option is more then they can bear. While they have my sympathies, to insist that all women have zero agency and zero responsibility is unreasonable. To exempt all women from criticism is non-logical — and I never use that word lightly.
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pacific-cali says:
http://www.lynettelong.com/my_.....l#comments
octogalore: here is a link to that HRC/healthcare reform story.
Good point about Michelle obama having all the components of a feminist - except the heart and the will. -
m Andrea says:
Ah, perhaps you all thought I was talking in some kind of racist “code” by referring to MO as a housekeeper?
Thorry, no. I meant in the subserviance sense. She is good little wifey and will be a rotten role model for women of any color; but especially for young black girls because they will take a more personal interest in her.
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bluemorning says:
I found all parts 2,3,and 4 of the Palin the most interesting-
go to here to see it at the fox/greta site:
http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html
Part 3 where she speaks of finding common ground with all types of women is where I think she holds the most promise for us. -
pacific-cali says:
Ciccina - I agree that Michelle is ducking the fight. In fact, it seems she has gone out of her way to broadcast that her focus will be her home & children - and certainly not any of that man-stuff.
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Renee says:
I’m late to this thread but I would like to say the fact that her accusers don’t have the guts to stand behind their statements makes them less believable to me. It is easy to sling mud behind a veil on anonymity.
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DancingOpossum says:
Sis,
Yes, Greta is grand. We believe she might be a secret PUMA; she was very receptive to the anti-Obama Hillary supporters throughout the campaign. And her hubby was a big-money Hillary donor who quite publicly refused to back The Precious.
When I found out she was interviewing Palin I knew it’d be great TV.
As an aside, Greta took a lot of heat a few years ago for having a face-lift (she was very open and up-front about it) but I think she looks good.
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Keri says:
Slythwolf, Ginmar defriended me because I kept debunking the lies about Palin in my live journal and spoke of how the virluent hatred of Palin comes from sexism. I can’t completely embrace Palin, mainly because of her Reaganism. But I will not deny she is a feminist when she so clearly is. I’m completely prochoice and I feel Palin is wrong on the abortion issue, but I understand why she is. Interestingly enough, it’s clear Palin is aware of the prochoice point of view and understands it, even though she’s on the other side. By understanding Palin, I’ve come to understand my mom’s best friend. She is foursquare behind every feminist issue but abortion rights. She and my mom had a real sisterhood, despite their differences of opinion on abortion rights and religion. My mother’s best friend was the person who was emotionally there for my sister and I the most after my mother’s sudden death on August 21, 2005. In turn my sister and I have been there for her. That bond is feminism to me.
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Sis says:
Well and truly said Keri. Apart from this blog, Women’s Space/The Margins phpbb2 blog is a proponent of your point of view.
I think even the men in tv get plastic surgery DO. Sad, wrong and by the way, why, but at least Greta balances it with substance.
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Yanni Znaio says:
I found a blog source for the pajamas quote:
http://www.thepomoblog.com/arc.....n-pajamas/
I think one thing that will have legs is this quote by former CBS executive Jonathan Klein:
“You couldn’t have a starker contrast between the multiple layers of checks and balances (CBS News) and a guy sitting in his living room in his pajamas writing.”
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votermom says:
keri, what’s your lj handle? I’d like to befriend you.
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Keri says:
It’s http://ciardhapagan.livejournal.com/ I tend not to put it in when I post in other people’s blogs because a lot of the time I blog about all my geeky hobbies, etc… I figured that would be boring to most people. ;)
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Sis says:
Good heavens. What lalala land is the former CBS exec living in? I saw none of his checks and balances in this campaign’s reporting. They were the jammie clad basement blogger.
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octogalore says:
pacific-cali –thanks for the link.
And yeah, the heart and will are important for feminists and for women generally. Those in high places can make a big impact.
I remember sometime in 07 I mentioned to an older male partner of mine that I’m a feminist and active in online/offline feminist causes. He said verbatim “oh, why do you want to get involved in all that feminism stuff?” Now, this is a guy who has a LONG way to go, sends group emails with sexist punchlines, the whole deal, but in his day-to-day behavior, he’s been a great partner and his treatment of the women in the company has been even-handed, albeit with perhaps fewer raunch jokes shared with us.
But after 2008, some prominent women, most of whom he didn’t agree with on everything but whom he grudgingly admired, got up and said they were feminists and this shit was important. And now, he’s someone I can actually discuss feminism with. He’s not particularly brilliant on the topic, and of course I’m not kidding myself that it isn’t too little too late. But he seems genuinely interested, and able to see some relevance to his life (long story there).
So anyway — the importance of women in the public eye not shying away from “the word” shouldn’t be underestimated.
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Yanni Znaio says:
Sis says:
Good heavens. What lalala land is the former CBS exec living in? I saw none of his checks and balances in this campaign’s reporting. They were the jammie clad basement blogger.
The same lalaland that most of the MSM live in.
I trust that I need not mention the Pauline Kael quote on Nixon’s election.
I meant to include this tidbit in my earlier post-
Comment #3 to that post makes an interesting observation about a supposed “gender divide” in the blogosphere. Again, misogyny.Guess they never came to places like this…
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Violet says:
““…some blogger, probably sitting in his parents’ basement in his pajamas…”
Is that a bad thing?”
*****
I took that to mean that the statements of these regular people were given the same weight as well researched and fact checking reporting.Beth, we’re joking. No one is offended by the “basement” crack — it’s standard on the tubes. That’s the stereotype of nutcase bloggers, like the ones who went after Palin: dweebs with no lives who do nothing but eat Cheetos and blog bullshit.
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Reader says:
Here is the Feministing take:
http://www.feministing.com/archives/012159.htmlWherein Jessica Valenti says:
“Sarah Palin - once again attacking the media for supposedly treating her unfairly - scoffed at bloggers as kids “in pajamas sitting in the basement of their parents’ homes.”Daily Kos ran multiple posts accusing her LYING ABOUT HAVING HER FIFTH BABY and Valenti says SUPPOSEDLY treating her unfairly? That makes me apoplectic. I tried to leave a comment over there with no success. Maybe I’m better off!
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m Andrea says:
Kiuku, I’d love to read your site, but every single blog entry requires a “click to verify I’m over 14″.
If that is how LJ treats a feminist, please consider dumping LJ as I can’t imagine you writing anything offensive.
