If you vote for Obama, this is what you’re voting for (Reminder #11)
ABC and Politico are reporting on the list of names being bruited about for Obama’s cabinet. Jesus! Look at these people:
Larry Summers, sexist blowhard extraordinaire, is said to be a favorite for Treasury Secretary. And so now we know the answer the question: what happens to a male chauvinist pig who abuses his academic position and insults half the human race by peddling noxious lies that women’s brains are genetically inferior? He gets rewarded by Barky Opossum with a Cabinet position! Whee! Unity ponies for everyone!
Austan Goolsbee, the free-market anti-regulation crypto-Republican goofball, is slated for White House economic adviser. So that’s how Obama plans to fix the economic crisis.
David Axelrod will of course be something: “senior adviser,” “sandal-bearer to the king,” whatever title they come up with. Axelrod is the chief architect of Obama’s entire scorched-earth campaign, which featured the public crucifixion and sexist smearing of not one but two women candidates, Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin. What a bringer of hope and change he will be to our nation! My god, I bet a rainbow will permanently hover over Axelrod’s office in the West Wing and kittens will just spontaneously appear whenever he walks in the room.
Incompetent Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick is on the short list for Attorney General, which makes me wonder if Obama and Patrick chipped in together for some kind of package deal with Axelrod. Obama’s entire propaganda line (hope and change, etc.) was an ad campaign dreamed up by Axelrod and first used by Patrick. Obama bought the whole shtick second-hand — even the text of the speeches — and we can only hope he got a good used-car price on the deal. I see no earthly reason for Patrick to be in an Obama administration, unless maybe that was in the fine print back when Obama purchased the rights to Patrick’s speeches.
But the number one pick for Attorney General isn’t Deval Patrick, but Virginia Governor Tim Kaine. That’s right, Tim Kaine: the pro-life, anti-abortion, pro-abstinence-education Tim Kaine. For Attorney General. Hey, you Stockholm Syndrome ladies over at NOW — are you paying attention? Maybe ask the patriarchy to adjust the duct tape so you can see better, ‘kay?
The Supreme Court short list includes Deval Patrick again (definitely some kind of package deal thing there), but the most terrifying possibility, and the real front-runner, is Cass Sunstein. Sunstein is an intellectual trainwreck of a man who is notorious for defending President Bush’s right to torture, imprison, and spy on anydamnbody he wants to with impunity.
Sunstein’s wife, Samantha Power, is on tap for National Security Adviser or something at State. Nice synchrony there. Power, by the way, is the one who called Hillary Clinton a “monster.”
The top name for Secretary of State is that globe-trotting mastermind of international relations, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson. I think we know now what 30 pieces of silver equates to in today’s political economy.
UPDATE: I missed one — Jesse Jackson Jr. for Secretary of HUD! Aaaaaagggggghhhhhh!
76 Responses to “If you vote for Obama, this is what you’re voting for (Reminder #11)”
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myiq2xu says:
Any Democrats on that list?
BTW - At the LGBT forum last year Richardson said sexual orientation was a choice. Melissa Etheridge thought he must have misunderstood the question and asked him again, and he repeated his answer.
Can we have Hillary back now?
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Violet says:
Who needs Democrats when you can have so many Republicans? Arnold Schwarzenegger, Chuck Hagel, Lincoln Chafee…
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kenoshaMarge says:
There is not one name that you mentioned, with perhaps the exception of Deval Patrick who should be acceptable to any “real” Democrat or any “real” liberal. And it would appear with Patrick you get incompetence and dishonesty.
Wow, there’s something to look forward to. NOT!
All ready did my voting. Voted for a Republican for the first time in my life. And got to vote for a woman which is in keeping with my belief in the 30% solution.
I voted for the Democratic candidate for congress in my district but she doesn’t stand a chance. She’s running against Republican Paul Ryan who is considered a “rising star” in the Republican Party.
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Pedro Correia says:
For me, this is the final statement on who Obama actually is. Unacceptable.
Check it:
http://www.breitbart.com/artic....._article=1
Family values?
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merciless says:
What? Joe Lieberman’s not on the list?
And as far as Richardson goes, he’s my governor, and Washington is welcome to him. His lt. gov., Diane Denish, is terrific.
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Alwaysthinking says:
I am really, really sick about the prospects of his presidency now! How can this be happening, and with Hillary helping to boost them into office? Haven’t we suffered enough, Americans? Don’t vote for him!
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quixote says:
I heard some scuttlebutt about BO tapping Volcker and Krugman for economy / finance positions.
It was the first sensible thing I’d heard in his whole campaign so I was wondering if it could possibly be true.
Don’t see either of them in that list of dregs.
Was there zero truth to the rumor, or are the two of them actually way down on some list somewhere just to make it look better?
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Greenconsciousness says:
well after railing against BO for the entire campaign, I voted for him on medical care and economic justice issues feeling McCain will bury the poor and feed the rich, his class.
Also I wanted BO to have a record for the next election so he could not run on Hope again.
But I hope BO loses after reading this post. Samantha Powers and her husband are the scum of the earth -lower than BO - make their money off genocide victims in public and betray them in private. I know this as I had conversations with Powers about her book, AProblem from Hell, wherein she indited he US for doing noting about Saddam Hussein’s genocide against the Kurds (and others); and then joined with the male left in denouncing Bush when he invaded. Her whole book is about being willing to stand against the crowd to stop genocide. I wrote her and said maybe now she understood as she would have to break with HER group to stand against Saddam’s genocide when it counted. She said: how dare I, a nobody, question her, a professor.
This appointment is beyond disgusting - this is the ultimate in hypocrisy — but I know McCain will win so I am comforted.
And when he does, our first campaign must be:”We won’t vote for a Dem party that elects its’ candidate by caucuses.” We must eliminate caucuses as they disenfranchise the old, the working class and all those who can be bullied and fooled by stormtroopers. There is no way to prevent fraud with primary voting in caucuses.
Start organizing for 2012 now. Lynnette Long is the expert on caucus fraud. Riverdaughter, L. Long and Violet with Mark from Men for Hillary (now Dem in Exile) can use their blogs to gather democrats to start pressuring the Party of the Dammed to eliminate caucuses and substitute only secret ballots for voting. Secondly we must eliminate the republican crossover to vote in Dem primaries. I have no idea how to do this.
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Greenconsciousness says:
Kenosha Marge
Hi - I voted for the woman against Paul Ryan too — I think she might win! Let’s hope together!
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Kiuku says:
Voting -is- organizing. Vote correctly in the first place. I don’t, personally, care to hear about how you hate Obama but voted for him. There was a third party ticket you could have chosen to remain neutral.
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Foxx says:
A tad off topic, but sexual orientation can be a choice, especially for women. It is for me. It is a mistake to insist on the PC line that we are born lesbian or gay. We have the right to relate to whichever sex we want, whether it is a choice or not.
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votermom says:
Crony cabinet.
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soopermouse says:
Kiuku- kudos.
Greenconsciousness- withy full knowledge of what OBama has done you chose to reward him by giving him your vote. Amazing. How do you live with that kind of rationalization and denial every day?
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m Andrea says:
I swear the repubs and dems have switched tactics and goals for this campaign. Liberals have become neo-renagade, absolutely SCREAMING about the “under-handed” tactic of the GOP which amazingly enough is the exclusive purvayance of the DNC.
They cruelly used Palin’s pregnant daughter to take cheap potshots at Palin’s character, all the while reminding the press that Obama’s daughters were strictly off-limits.
Obama is a hypocrite, and if the liberals would only look at what he does, as opposed to what he says, they could see his hypocrisy quite plainly.
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Alex says:
Violet I’m a fan, but really if the worst you can say about Bill Richardson is that he ‘betrayed’ the Clintons by supporting the other candidate does he really belong with the others? The idea that he was indebted to them forever was just ridiculous and in my mind it brings down the strength of the list to take that shot.
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Greenconsciousness says:
I have end stage glaucoma and no medical insurance —
You are all on some crazy trip thinking Palin/McCain is better than Obama - and I have not the heart to bring reality to the victory that you think will teach someone a lesson or perhaps some of you always were for the Repubs. It is a fantasy but an understandable one –
But don’t get hostile with me or i will remind you while your hero decimates women’s rights and the environment while wall st and the predatory lenders prey on us like vultures.
I don’t care which one wins but I think health care might happen somewhat under BO or at least his failures will free us of him in 2012 and you had better start organizing for 2012 unless you want the Repubs in office.
Spare me the third party BS. Anti-Semites every one. There is no third party alternative unless we make one. And Hillary is not into it from what I hear.
So your choice is no better than mine - your vote is a guy who actually calls women cunts and worse. Understand that no one has clean hands, I had a choice between 2 sexists and I voted my class interests. Just like I did with Kerry. I don’t blame you for your anti abortion - breed mental defectives, anti equal pay vote so don’t begrudge my hold my nose and hope for medical care vote. You if you are a feminist better hope we are still together after this election. Cliques don’t change the world.
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Violet says:
Alex:
Actually my point was that the only reason he would be made Secretary of State would be as a payoff. Which I don’t really think is a great reason to make somebody Secretary of State.
Richardson makes no sense for that job.
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myiq2xu says:
The Clintons were friends and benefactors of Richardson. Bill Clinton watched the Super Bowl with Richardson and had been promised that Richardson would not endorse anyone. I don’t know what he was promised but the way Richardson suddenly endorsed Obama stunk.
People who have principles don’t sell-out like he did. I want people with principles running my country.
Besides, he a governor from a small state (population-wise) so he is obviously unqualified to do anything.
(that last part was snark)
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tinfoil hattie says:
Tim Kaine’s a Democrat, and a decent governor. He hasn’t done anything, not one thing, to change abortion law in Virginia. He’s Catholic. He also hasn’t done anything to change the death penalty in Virginia, even though it’s against his personal beliefs.
In my experiences, it’s not Democrats who generally try and change the law of the land to fit their Christian beliefs.
And on another note, I don’t know how accurate these predictions are, but I for one am thrilled at the overwhelming number of women people believe Obama would have in his administration.
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Violet says:
Tim Kaine’s a Democrat, and a decent governor. He hasn’t done anything, not one thing, to change abortion law in Virginia.
Substitute Sarah Palin and it’s the same story. Care to explain why you trust a pro-life man and not a pro-life woman?
Actually the shocking thing is how few women Obama is planning to appoint. It’s an insult. Do you live in the U.S.?
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Queen1 says:
Violet and all,
Hadn’t visited in awhile. Interesting discussions. I can’t say Obama’s list surprises me; he is a pro at running a political machine, as he showed in Chicago.
I do think your excoriation of Summers is a bit off. I followed that brouhaha quite closely and thought he raised a valid point and asked a good question. He didn’t assert that women have inferior brains at all, nor did he suggest that women should not be in the hard sciences. Let’s not end debate by declaring the other person an idiot. Having said all that, I don’t know that Summers is particularly qualified for Treasury. And it does show a certain, um, lack of sensitivity on Obama’s part to tap Summers at all.
But then that’s one of Obama’s weaknesses: He thinks he can do anything without repercussions. And his only loyalty is to himself and his ambition.
I feel scared about Obama winning this election in a way I never would have with Clinton. Obama’s tactics and his supporters’ thuggery smacks of suppression of our basic liberties.
Keep up the good work, Violet. The level of discourse around here is a cut above most other sites.
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Violet says:
Since Summers used to be the Secretary of the Treasury (under Clinton), most people would probably say he’s already qualified.
But picking him now is a huge insult.
As for the “brouhaha,” I’ll bet you a million dollars you didn’t follow it as closely as I did. Summers did not raise a valid point and he did not ask a good question.
You really, really don’t want to get me started on what the goddamn asswipe said.
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m Andrea says:
“Personally, I believe that there are innate differences between Latino people and non-Latinos, and these innate differences might be one reason fewer Latinos succeed in science and math careers. I also question how much of a role discrimination plays in the dearth of Latino professors in science and engineering at elite universities.”
Change ethnicity to gender, and that is exactly what Larry Summers said verbatim.
In case any liberals are lurking and require assistance, Larry’s belief is the exact same that men have used for thousands of years in order to restrict women to kitchen duty.
The continued blindness of Obamabots has ceased to be amusing. These people are incapable of rational thought or integrity; and the democratic party is disintergrating from within — no wonder Echnide was urging dems to vote early. Their facade can’t even last to the finish line.
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quixote says:
Erm, Queen1? Harvard alum here who got to follow Summers crap in unwanted detail through colleagues, old friends, mailings, emails, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum et nauseam.
My mother was a lecturer at Harvard when they had three women on the faculty, one of who was Margaret Mead. (She’s not the one who was my mom.) Believe me, Harvard is not a university that concerns itself much with sexism unless they’re forced to. So the fact that Summers resigned over his “valid point” shows you just how bad even Harvard could see it was.
The fact that he’s an economist and (obviously) knows nothing about biology or heredity does not give him a free pass to spout bigoted nonsense.
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quixote says:
(incidentally, may I ask again? What’s the story on BO appointing Krugman or Volcker? Are they on any of his lists anywhere?)
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Cyn says:
I have a ton of respect for this woman. Take a look.
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quixote says:
Cyn, I have been able to connect to any typepad.com site in days. I really miss Heidi Li’s wonderful posts!
Am I the only one having this problem? I’d started assuming she must have been trolled, or something.
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Sophia says:
Another scary mention that was not noted: Howard Dean for Secretary of Health. I doubt Obama would actually give the position to Dean but still OMG!
(P.S. I work for Dr. Feldman, and I will tell her about the kind words for her from Cyn above)
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myiq2xu says:
“Actually the shocking thing is how few women Obama is planning to appoint.”
Are you channeling Claude Rains?
Cuz I’m not the least bit shocked.
Obama is the He Man Woman Haters’ candidate
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octogalore says:
Tinfoil Hattie, The Roe decision overturned all state laws outlawing or restricting abortion that were inconsistent with its holdings. Tim Kaine, a graduate of Harvard Law (which occasionally gets it right) would understand that state governors have substantial limitations in trying to do anything about the decision. As Attorney General, he will have substantially more pull in that regard. Kaine has stated that he supports restrictions on abortion, such as requiring parental consent.
“In my experiences, it’s not Democrats who generally try and change the law of the land to fit their Christian beliefs.”
Twenty-two democrats voted to confirm Roberts. Obama would’ve been the twenty-third if an aide hadn’t told him not to be.
As for the women people believe Obama would have in his administration? Well, one can hope. However, I recall last time Obama had a chance to tap an excellently qualified woman for the top post in his administration — someone the current holder of that post acknowledged might be more qualified than himself. He chose not to do that. So, not particularly optimistic over here.
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sister of ye says:
It truly amazes me that anyone can vote for Obama thinking he’ll bring about more comprehensive health care coverage. His great supporter, John Kerry, already announced that UHC is dead in the water even if Obama is elected and there’s a Democratic Congress.
I don’t see what makes people think Obama cares about economic justice, either. He and his wife are stingy on charity, and most of what they gave went to his crony of a pastor, who’s building himself a million dollar house in a gated community. The Obamas needed their million dollar house so badly that they cut a cozy deal with a now-convicted felon. And the wife that Obama claims is one of his closest advisors dismissed a $600 economic stimulus check as something with which to buy a pair of earrings.
Though I’d be surprised if Michelle - whose job interview he had to go along to supervise - is really someone he listens to. I doubt Obama actually listens much to what any woman says.
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octogalore says:
Also — I’d want to know more about Penny Pritzker’s role in the subprime crisis before getting excited about her possible role as Commerce Secretary. That’s a bit scary.
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CoolAunt says:
Greenconsciousness says: Spare me the third party BS.
The words “pot,” “kettle,” and “black” come to mind. After months on your Vote Third Party soapbox, you not only have the audacity to believe that you shouldn’t be challenged for stating here, in this post about Obama’s misogyny, that you voted for him, you have the gall to demand that others “Spare [you] the third party BS?” Unbelievable.
I’m sorry that you have glaucoma and I sincerely hope that if he’s elected, Obama sees to it that you and all the rest of us have access to affordable health care. (For what it’s worth, I’m uninsured, too, and living with chronic neck and shoulder pain due to spinal stenosis, something that treatment might help if only I could afford it.) Still, none of this buys you a pass for your hypocrisy or a pass for your support of another hypocrite and misogynist to boot.
Voting for Obama “while holding your nose” (as another posted here) is one thing. That you’ve tried to manipulate others into accepting your choice without question or criticism by way of exploiting our empathy and compassion (can you say “emotional manipulation?”) offends me.
Un-fucking-believable.
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Male Hillary Supporter says:
Re: Obama’s list.
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Sorry, can’t talk now, mouth full of vomit.
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tinfoil hattie says:
Violet:
1) Saying Tim Kaine is a good governor does not equal saying Sarah Palin is a bad one. Trusting Tim Kaine does not equal not trusting Palin. Could you please point out where I said that?
2) The part about the scores of women in a projected Obama administration was a joke. There’s one woman in your list. It was sarcasm.
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tinfoil hattie says:
I don’t post here much, so I don’t yet have much feminist cred here.
I don’t want Obama to be the next president. I would say “you have no idea how badly I don’t want that” but I would be wrong, because I am pretty clear that most people here do know that.
I do like Tim Kaine. I also have no reason to believe Sarah Palin would, as VP, begin a vigorous challenge to Roe v. Wade. As Governor, she has not tried to change laws that fit her personal beliefs — at least not that I know of.
It’s hard to know much about Palin’s policy bent because the last two months have been spent projecting crap onto her and spewing misogynist crap about her. So I’m going with “Until I see differently, I don’t have any reason to believe she would enact evil policy.”
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Yanni Znaio says:
If the unthinkable happens and Zero defrauds his way into office, shall we start a pool on which member of this list gets Trotskyized first?
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Yanni Znaio says:
If the unthinkable happens and Zero defrauds his way into office, shall we start a pool on which member of this list gets Trotskyized first?
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Greenconsciousness says:
I said I had hope with BO about medical care and economic justice based on his stated policy but not a belief that he will perform. Everything Violet and you all say about him is true and I was saying it friom day 1 when others would not.
The choice was between him and MCCain who told me he would tax medical benefits, reduce social security while bailing out wall street, continue to deregulate, eliminate roe v wade(I had a butcher abortion in the 60s) continue to oppose equal pay for equal work while refusing to increase taxes on CEOs making billions, refuse to tax the oil industries,build nuclear power plants …. on and on.
Maybe you just woke up to the betrayal by the Dem party AND the Unions of the working class, the betrayal of women’s organizations to women domestically and globally but I have been aware of it since about 1995, and intensly after 9/11. I have gone through all the stages you are experiencing now - denial, shock, anger, disbelief, attempts to force — Now I am using my vote to get the best in a shit pile and so are you.
There is no hope except independent organizing and it may be too late for that with the desperation of the economic situation.
I said I did not see how a woman could vote for BO and then I seriously considered McCain. Can’t do it — actually knew a woman who died from her own botched abortion because we could not raise the money to send her to NY. It is a long story -states allowed and disallowed. You had to get transportation, stay in a hospital, find the money while the weeks flew by.
I don’t own a business, have medical insurance or make 100,000 dollars a year — that is how I can vote for BO when the other choice is a republican anti abortion, anti equal pay, billionaire.
This does not mean I believe or even care if BO wins. It is voting my class interests while understanding I will be betrayed not just by BO but by almost every democrat in Congress because the wealthy controll this political system.
Do you believe in MCCain? I don’t think so. What you do believe is that if BO is defeated the Democrat party will see the light and reform itself or let you reform it.
This might happen with a tremendous grass roots movement but I doubt that movement exists. I think the true believers will fight on for their prince. The dems have threatened blood in the streets which I think is their hope but not a reality. If BO wins, he starts to make a record. It will be interesting to see how he treats the feminists who supported him. He will legalize illegal immigrants to build his voting base AS WILL MCCAIN if he wins further eliminating jobs fr citizens.
I think McCain will win and then we shall see what happens to the Dem party - whether it reforms and how Hillary is treated. I can be happy with a McCain win if it causes the Dem reforms you are hoping for. All the votes for BO may push McCain toward respect for women’s rights as it has pushed him so far in this election. So that is one way to respect the vote some of us made for BO. And I do understand your disgust as well.
In either case, what do you think FEMINISTS should be doing after the election? Resting for sure - paying attention - documenting…..
If McCain wins feminists must continue to fight for acknowledgment of women’s rights in Iraq and Afghanistan and a secular court system but what else I wonder.
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samanthasmom says:
There will thousands of women in an Obama administration. They will be fetching coffee, answering phones, keeping date books, scheduling conference rooms, and after hours they will be cleaning bathrooms, vacuuming carpets, and polishing furniture.
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Kat says:
There will thousands of women in an Obama administration. They will be fetching coffee, answering phones, keeping date books, scheduling conference rooms, and after hours they will be cleaning bathrooms, vacuuming carpets, and polishing furniture.
You just said a mouthful right there.
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tinfoil hattie says:
Oh samanthasmom, I laughed ’til I cried.
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Yanni Znaio says:
Samanthasmom, you nailed it.
The perfect one-sentence description of a (god forbid) 0bama administration.
Victor Davis Hanson put his take on the campaign into one VERY long sentence:
The Wizards of Oz [Victor Davis Hanson]
I don’t think in my lifetime I have ever witnessed quite a campaign in which the wife of the Presidential candidate has been sequestered lest she voice yet another sweeping generalization that can be rightfully interpreted as denigrating both the American system at large or the values of other Americans; or in which the Vice Presidential candidate has been sequestered from press questioning lest he once again in an interview or an impromptu says something that either is so bizarre that it makes no sense at all or serves as a good argument not to vote for his running mate; or in which the Presidential nominee himself knows that if he stays on the teleprompter he has a good chance of winning, but if he wades in to banter wtih the crowd there is equally a good chance that he may say something so disturbing that the entire facade that he has so carefully constructed simply collapses.
In sum, the voters suspect that there is something wrong with these faux-wizardly images on the campaign stump, but on the rare occasions they hear or see a gimpse of something real behind them that understandably makes them uneasy, they are sort of given the message “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.”
11/01 10:20 AM
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TheOtherDelphyne says:
Samanthasmom - absolutely!
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garychapelhill says:
I thought JJ Jr. was slated to take Obama’s place in the senate. How does it work in IL? does the gov get to select or is there an election?
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vbonnaire says:
That’s some list… of types.
Hi GreenC, miq2xu, and Violet– thanks for writing these the way you have. The effigy was bad enough — you just have to wonder what has happened to our country.
WTF has happened. I will be going McC, even though I have grave doubts about Palin’s ability to understand feminism as we know it.
This bunch though, that you have named. WTF.
We can’t let it happen, and personally, Axelrod? I hope what he has done with the target-marketing/illegal fund raising et al?
Makes the press so bigly after this election he will never work again — the creep.Revulsion is what I feel for their camp.
They aren’t Dems as we have been Dems and I’d go Green if I thought there was a chance — this vote is to defeat the above list you made.I trust far more in McC than I do in either O or Palin….
Ugh.
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Violet says:
1) Saying Tim Kaine is a good governor does not equal saying Sarah Palin is a bad one. Trusting Tim Kaine does not equal not trusting Palin. Could you please point out where I said that?
You’re right, you didn’t say anything about Sarah Palin. I thought that’s what you were implying, but I guess I was jumping ahead in my mind. It surprised me to go back and read your comment and see that you hadn’t mentioned Palin at all. I apologize.
2) The part about the scores of women in a projected Obama administration was a joke. There’s one woman in your list. It was sarcasm.
Jesus, I thought you were serious! I thought you were basing your approval on the article I’d linked to. Again, my apologies.
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Violet says:
Note to the group at large: we all have the right to cast our votes as we see fit. We all make our own calculations, and that is our absolute right.
GreenC does not have to apologize for voting for Obama. No one does. Ferchrissake, my own mother is voting for Obama. And I understand why.
I think Obama is a disaster and that’s why I’m writing these posts. And we can argue with each other and do everything to persuade each other — all that’s cool. But ultimately each person makes her own choice.
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d'line says:
‘Scuze me but I got the same as Vi did from tinfoil hattie’s posts. I think it was implied. As soon as I read it, that’s what I got.
I’d love to hear your mother’s rational for supporting Obama. I guess there’s just no accounting for mothers.
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d'line says:
OT: And something else. A propos another post, somewhere here, from someone who is voting Obama for health reasons: I simply do not understand NOT having health insurance. Seems to me if the state doesn’t provide it, or your work doesn’t, then you bust your ass to pay it on your own. Anything else is just irresponsible. Don’t tell me you can’t afford it. You make a choice not to afford it. Not to have it and that, ultimately is where it’s going to end.
Because Obama ain’t gonna provide it for you, trust me.
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Violet says:
I simply do not understand NOT having health insurance. Seems to me if the state doesn’t provide it, or your work doesn’t, then you bust your ass to pay it on your own. Anything else is just irresponsible. Don’t tell me you can’t afford it. You make a choice not to afford it.
I’m sorry, that is an unbelievably ignorant statement. Do you have any idea how much health insurance costs for someone with a pre-existing condition? Or two? Or three? No, you obviously do not.
Many people have to choose between food and health insurance. Between a roof over their heads and health insurance.
And if you can manage to scrape up enough for the crummiest kind of health insurance — the kind that only covers hospitalization at 30% coinsurance — you’re still up the creek if you need a doctor visit, prescriptions, lab tests, etc.
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d'line says:
You have health coverage if you’re on welfare/social assistance. It’s basic, but you’ve got it. That’s my understanding. And if you’re working, you provide something more as one of your firsts.
Ignorant? Well maybe yes in that I don’t know the costs of the various plans. But I’d feel obligated to buy the least if that’s all I could manage. And that would be in the order of roof, food, health insurance.
Why would anyone wait until they had a condition to consider this?
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Violet says:
Dear god. You cannot possibly be this stupid. No one can.
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Briar says:
“Don’t tell me you can’t afford it. You make a choice not to afford it.” That sounds suspiciously like, “If you aren’t rich it’s because you choose to be poor.” Or perhaps you think starving yourself to death, or freezing, or living in the back of a car, is preferable to not having health insurance. You need a crash course in what poverty actually means, perhaps? Not that health insurance actually provides when you are in need, if the things my friends tell me (insured, denied treatments) are true.
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d'line says:
Remember Liz? She didn’t have coverage but she got what she needed, at the time. You’re kidding yourself if you think it’s going to be any better than that in a publicly paid system, especially one a right-leaning-Democrat millionaire would put into place.
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Violet says:
You’re offending me with your stupidity. I’m sorry, but you are. I can’t imagine what kind of bubble you live in that you know nothing about diseases or inherited conditions, nothing about the gaps in Medicaid and Medicare, nothing about job security, nothing about poverty, nothing about LIFE.
You sound like a Republican, the worst kind. See some middle-aged woman with crippling rheumatoid arthritis (inherited) on a farm who doesn’t qualify for Medicaid or Medicare and doesn’t have $1000 a month for insurance? Screw the stupid bitch! She should have thought of this before she was born!
Go away, please.
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madamab says:
d-line sounds like a benighted Libertarian to me.
I sincerely hope that d-line never finds him/herself without a job and attempting to decide between food and medicine.
Stupid beyond redemption. I’m all for inclusion, but some people cannot be taught.
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d'line says:
Ok. I’ll go away. I’m do know what I’m talking about, in terms of having conditions, and not qualifying for care, and family with disabilities, and public payer healthcare systems.
I vote very left.
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samanthasmom says:
garychapelhill,
The governor will appoint Obama’s replacement if he wins. JJ Jr and Jan Schakowsky both want the job. The governor would have to choose between an AA and a woman. Sound familiar? He will likely choose the candidate most likely to be able to hold the seat in 2010 - and Jan is buds with Pelosi. -
Cyn says:
How about finding yourself in the unenviable position of losing a full-time job with health insurance, finding a part-time job without it, paying for your own measly crap insurance with hardly any coverage and finding out that if you take a full time job that doesn’t give you health insurance, you would be making too much to qualify for the crappy pay it yourself insurance?
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Greenconsciousness says:
Thank You — I actually started crying and I am pretty tough — Violet, I love your posts - just because we forced to vote doesn’t mean I want to forget or gloss over and you are projecting the future to get people prepared.
Does everybody know the Red Queen needs help? They have posts up on that blog where a group including her used to write. She lost her home.
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m Andrea says:
Do not miss this. Go watch.
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m Andrea says:
Sorry that sounded rude. I’ve been reading AA male conservative blogs, and this guy is young with a very hip style. Really lays it ALL on the line very quickly.
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Alikatze says:
This post is f-ing hysterical! Holy s**t!!! On a side note, Vi, could you put some sources on this list? I’ve got a bunch of hair-splitting Gobamabot friends who I’d love to show this to….And is there any freaking way to get your posts onto Facebook?? Is there a way to have a nerdling encode a “share” link on here for those of us desperately needing to more publicly share your amazing lucidity?….
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Alikatze says:
Oof, never mind the need for sources — I missed the lightly browned link at the beginning. *sigh*
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Violet says:
Alikatze, after the election I’m going find some time to update my blog, revamp the design, etc. Will add social bookmarking thingies. And probably even change the “lightly browned” links (which are a lovely shade of red on my monitor) to some other color.
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octogalore says:
m Andrea, nice link. I don’t like that guy’s social policies, but he is right on in a number of other respects.
This article similarly is conservative in a few ways I’m not, but does a great job explaining a number of ways in which Obama is closer to George Bush than is McCain.
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octogalore says:
Violet — humble suggestion for another reminder:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4564157n
possibly combined with something about his brother.
“Hasing been able to get in touch with her?”
But, was going to spend her campaign donation?
And, she is living in poverty?
Wow, I wish I had the glass half full attitude of BO’s female supporters.
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Yanni Znaio says:
m Andrea says:
Sorry that sounded rude. I’ve been reading AA male conservative blogs, and this guy is young with a very hip style. Really lays it ALL on the line very quickly.
November 2nd, 2008 at 9:34 pm EST
Didn’t even look.
It’s got to be Machosauce.
He’s right on.
How many people can get their message across so well?
The man’s got a career hidden in there someplace.
Corporate spokesperson?
Gotta be one freakin’ hip corporation!
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Cyn says:
Facebook has a feature that you can get which allows you to post any article to your profile. It’s called Facebook Share.
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DancingOpossum says:
Greenconsciousness, it was OBAMA who pushed harder than anyone on Capitol Hill for the Wall Street Bailout Bill, so spare us the talk of vultures preying on us. The guy you voted for is the one who put the “Vultures: Free Buffet” sign up, turned on the lights, and strong-armed his crew into voting for it.
And Sunstein has been on BO’s short list for a looong time, I knew about it months ago and was appalled (so were the folks at Talk Left and other pro-civil-rights sites until they slurped the Kool-Aid). So has Gooslbee–from day one. None of this is (or should be) a surprise.
At any rate, what’s done is done. I am still wavering between McCain and McKinney, anything but BO.
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DancingOpossum says:
Jeez, I was going to add something to d-line but I see he/she has left. What a tool. I have a friend who makes $15 an hour and has no preexisting conditions; she was told she would have to pay $800 a MONTH for health insurance for her and her daughter. Of course, she doesn’t have any. She said she might get some once her car is paid off but she can’t afford both payments (and no, republicans/libertarians, she isn’t driving a Mercedes).
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tinfoil hattie says:
DancingOpossum, my family health insurance premium just went up from $832 to $950 per month. How in the hell does d’line figure it’s a person’s FAULT for not being able to afford that outrageous sum of money?
We’ve had a two-person business for years and have been fortunate that there is always a good market for our skills. I absolutely know how privileged we are to be able to afford that insurance.
And, between 2005-2006 we had $30k in UNREIMBURSED medical expenses AFTER the premium costs. We’re still paying off the credit cards we used to buy everything else after paying the medical bills. I predict we’ll be paying them off for 4-5 more years.
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Kiuku says:
I’m pretty sure Obama’s health “plan” was debunked as not viable a month ago on CNN.
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julia says:
Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente are the only ones brave enough to talk straight. Listen to them on DemocracyNow - Rosa Clemente is brave, clear and powerful.
No corporate candidate will ever bring us nationalized health care. Look at what they did to HC when she tried back in the ’90s.
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Violet says:
(incidentally, may I ask again? What’s the story on BO appointing Krugman or Volcker? Are they on any of his lists anywhere?)
I’m sorry, quixote, I never answered your question.
Volcker is on the short list for Treasury, though I’m not seeing Krugman anywhere.
The good news: if Larry Summers doesn’t get Treasury, it’ll probably be Robert Rubin — who wants to privatize Social Security. Oh, lucky us. Ponies for everyone.
