If you vote for Obama, this is what you’re voting for (Reminder #8)
Sarah Palin hung in effigy outside West Hollywood home
As the creator of this “Halloween decoration” explains, a similar image of Barack Obama would of course be terrible because the image of a black man with a noose around his neck is offensive. But violence against women is “art.” It’s funny. Halloween fun! Lighten up!
No doubt millions agree. Barack Obama’s campaign — first against Hillary Clinton, now against Sarah Palin — has completely legitimized violence against women, whether rhetorical or actual. They’re just stupid cunts and bitches and they need to shut the fuck up. Don’t mess with The Precious!
81 Responses to “If you vote for Obama, this is what you’re voting for (Reminder #8)”
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CLR says:
And if you vote for McCain, you are voting for skinheads who want to kill 102 black kids at a school. Makes as much sense.
There are plenty of Obama supporters I disagree with and plenty of McCain supporters I disagree with. I’m voting on issues. I want out of Iraq. I want more concern for the environment. I want to increase the taxes on higher income taxpayers, particularly on qualified dividend income. I want to protect the right to abortion and contraceptives. I want respect for science. And so on. I have a better chance at these things with a Democratic administration.
So, no. If I vote for Obama, I am not voting for idiots who hang Palin in effigy. There are moron supporters on both sides. I am voting for the side most likely to support the laws I want.
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Violet says:
And if you vote for McCain, you are voting for skinheads who want to kill 102 black kids at a school. Makes as much sense…So, no. If I vote for Obama, I am not voting for idiots who hang Palin in effigy. There are moron supporters on both sides.
Bullshit. If there had been the same level of racism during this campaign as sexism, then you could make that argument. But there hasn’t been.
Let’s see: a year-long festival of unapologetic misogyny, the most vicious bout of public-woman hating in living memory — from the campaign, from the media, from Obama supporters, from everyfuckingbody.
Versus: a few racist nutcases here and there.
No comparison. None. And pretending there is doesn’t make it so.
You can vote for Obama and while you’re doing so cross your fingers and say, “but I’m not voting for all the bad stuff!” but you know what? Doesn’t work. Your little crossed fingers mean jack. You’re still voting for the guy who’s deliberately ridden a wave of misogyny. Live with it. Be honest with yourself.
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CLR says:
Well, I guess we could argue all day about whether there has been more sexism than racism. There are way more than a few racist nutcases in this country. And maybe I don’t recognize misogyny when I encounter it.
But that was not the point I was making. Either McCain or Obama is going to win this election. I have looked at the platforms of the two parties, and I don’t want another 4 years of the Republicans.
I feel very strongly about the issues I mentioned. I can live with my vote and with my rationale for that vote. I’m a 50+ year old woman who has put a lot of thought into this election. I’m sure you have also put a lot of thought into your decision. Obviously, you disagree with me. I just felt like your comments needed a different viewpoint, but it’s your blog.
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samanthasmom says:
It was a very dark period in our history when women were hung from trees and pressed to death after being convicted as witches. Instead of condemning it, we dress our daughters up as witches and send them out to party. The city of Salem makes a fortune every year celebrating what ought to be an embarrassment to them. Have a great Halloween everybody.
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Foxx says:
For feminists, this election is irrelevant. Obama and the democratic party have sold out. They are simply more of the same.
All these “feminists” fawning over Obama (I just saw the feminist majority site, disgusting) could at least have demanded something in return for their endorsement.
We need a new wave of radical feminism. Nothing else matters.
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Kiuku says:
“And maybe I don’t recognize misogyny when I encounter it.”
LOL, exactly.
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CoolAunt says:
“And maybe I don’t recognize misogyny when I encounter it.”
There’s a strong probability that you don’t. Hell, I’m actually looking for it and don’t always see it until others – always radfems – point it out for me.
Yes, racism is still alive and well, too, although not as acceptable as sexism, which is evidenced by the inability of women to see it most of the time, even when it’s right in our faces. But even if sexism were as unacceptable as racism and even if acts of sexism were exactly equal to or even less than those of racism, as a woman, sexism is my battle, feminism is my cause.
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Lisa says:
Yes, this “effigy” immediately brought Salem to my mind as well. The idiot that did this made some comment about our country’s history makes it harder for us to be able to deal with seeing a black man hung than a white woman.
Hmmmm… I guess the whole Salem thing was clearly forgotten by him. (And the millions of women that were hung tortured and burnt at the stake outside of the US)
Salem does make a fortune off of the witch history, BUT, it also has 2 different and wonderful monuments in memory of the women (and man) that were killed, and puts on many plays and lectures every year discussing the reality of the horror. They also are incredibly supportive of their pagan community.
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Lisa says:
Way too many women have been brainwashed not to see sexism.
Yes, we need a new wave of real feminism.
Yes, we need to squash this new DNC of Misogyny so they learn they can’t get away with it.
Yes, we need to effect the 30 percent solution, and to work very hard to have women’s history and women’s stories be taught in schools so that children grow up seeing women as equals that must be treated as such.
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pacific-cali says:
CLR = obama troll.
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Cate says:
Good call Pacific-cali. I was just hurrying through all the comments to get to the bottom to leave MY RESPONSE! Glad I saw your post, so now I won’t bother. I love the “50+ year old woman” line – ALTHOUGH – I just found out my cousin a “50+ year old woman” is supporting Obama and is really being hateful to her sisters for their support of Sarah Palin. They aren’t even speaking now due to her disgusting remarks. And, let me say, of all the people in my family, this cousin is the worst. She is uncaring and selfish to a degree that constantly shocks us. For example: her daughter fought breast cancer for 2 years and she never even called her – now that’s pretty horrible. It figures, doesn’t it?
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Kat says:
What remains with me is the lack of outrage. The owner of the house was quite right — if that had been a black man hung in effigy, there would be mass outrage, quite appropriately.
There’s the difference. Racism, when it has emerged during this electoral season, has been smacked down utterly in all forms of public discourse. Smacked down *utterly*. It has been roundly condemned by politicians, pundits, newspapers, campaigns, you name it. The same is NOT true of misogyny. There’s not even any acknowledgement that race and gender might actually intersect (gasp!). (The worse racism comes from the Obama camp: facile feelgood nothingness, avoiding any real issues. Obama fans picked up race like a shiny coin on the road when they needed it and they’ll drop it again in an instant — and wonder and whine when anyone calls them on it.)
As a result, misogyny is what has been escalating. As a direct result. In my workplace, you could not get away with a racist remark, but I heard someone — an educator, no less, a “liberal feminist” — go off on Palin today in the most enraged, irrational way. Like Palin’s very existence threatened her somehow.
In any case, I don’t know how anyone can trust a word the Democrats or BO says. I have no clue that they might do, especially with a supermajority. Then again, I don’t consider them the antidote to Bush. I consider them the co-conspirators of Bush.
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cellocat says:
Kat says:
“What remains with me is the lack of outrage. The owner of the house was quite right — if that had been a black man hung in effigy, there would be mass outrage, quite appropriately.”
Heck, the FBI would have been knocking at his door, asking questions. It would have been taken VERY seriously.
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goesh says:
Points well stated that the FBI would have been knocking on the door and there would have been some protestors and all kinds of activity and outrage. It’s beyond degrading and insulting, it borders on the lethal, almost genocidal.
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Kiuku says:
no outrage..nothing. What’s next? Real corpses?
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octogalore says:
I would only add that it seems quite unusual for a “50+ year old woman” to say “maybe I don’t recognize misogyny when I encounter it.”
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sister of ye says:
Just need to say for the record: For the Obama trolls who cite “the issues” as the reason to vote for him – are you out of your flippin’ minds, or do you think we are? Vote for:
- I’m against the FISA bill with telecom immunity / Oops, we may need it to fight “terror”
- Campaigning with not one, but two, anti-gay activists, not to mention “my college professor didn’t proselytize” – unlike the rest of us gay who, you know, spend our weekends handing out brochures for the sign-up meeting
- Iraq is a “dumb” war – but, hey, let’s invade nuclear Pakistan
- Pushing for trillions for fatcat, corrupt bankers, without no oversight or return demands – like giving up their golden parachutes
Sheez, that’s just the few that pop into mind on a tired Tuesday. We could spend all night listing them all, without even touching the rampant misogyny.
Yeah, vote for him on the issues. [snicker]
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m Andrea says:
“I heard someone — an educator, no less, a “liberal feminist” — go off on Palin today in the most enraged, irrational way. Like Palin’s very existence threatened her somehow.”
Almost as if a “girl next door” cheerleader has no right to have such high aspirations… But then again, they hated the “ballsy go-getter” too.
Wish I could remember who said, “I’d love to vote for a woman president, just not this woman”. It reminded me of the “I hate rape, but only when it’s really rape” apologia.
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old91A10 says:
Don’t pay attention to the trolls — just noise. Besides, my PUMA vote for the McCain Palin ticket took out two of them. Now, get a friend out to vote!
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Yanni Znaio says:
Don’t worry yet, they’re only practicing.
/sarc
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myiq2xu says:
“Well, I guess we could argue all day about whether there has been more sexism than racism.”
Not if you’re honest we can’t.
Show me a racist news network that even comes close to MiSogyNyBC
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Carmonn says:
“Well, I guess we could argue all day about whether there has been more sexism than racism”
*blinks* Well, at least you’re keeping your sense of humor.
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Briar says:
Violence against women is so deeply engrained a part of our society (especially its entertainment industiry) that of course it is invisible to the majority of Obama supporters. No surprise that they are happy to entertain images of violence against specific named women – nor that they are already long practised in denying the truth of what they are doing. We all are when it comes to the institutional sexism in our societies. Still, kudos to all those ready to make obot sexists whose response to every accusation is that they are not racist face the truth.
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tinfoil hattie says:
For feminists, this election is irrelevant. Obama and the democratic party have sold out. They are simply more of the same.
I see your point, but the election is far from irrelevant, in that it has set women and feminism back decades. Whom to vote for may be irrelevant, but the election has already done quite a bit of damage.
In the WaPo, I read that Those In The Know think Obama will choose Larry Summers as Treasury Secretary.
Because it doesn’t matter what he thinks of women. It doesn’t matter that Larry Summers said that women may not have the innate capabilities for math and science that men do. It matters not that Summers views women as innately inferior. He can still be Treasury Secretary, because the Men Have Big Important Things To Do.
Obama does not care about women. Neither does McCain. When Hillary Clinton dropped out of the primary, women’s chances for any progress was lost.
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Foxx says:
I agree with you tinfoil hattie of course.
I’m trying to move myself past my obsession with this disaster to, What do we do now?
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Lisa says:
McCain may or may not care about women, but I think he is willing to respect us as a voting block. He is listening to women and he frequently acknowledges Hillary and Sarah Palin in his speeches. That is more than can be said for the Obama campaign.
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simply wondered says:
this whole debate has finally driven me over to you tube (urk!) and the ghastly car crash of the endless anti-palin clips. i hadn’t realised until i saw it that biden is basically unable to scratch his arse without saying something earth-shatteringly dumb/offensive. i guess nobody sees him because the sunlight that emanates from barack’s nether parts obscures anything within 4 miles. interesting that some of the commentators actually mention it and ask ‘why does nobody take the piss out of him?’. i wonder as well…. it’s as if the rest of the media is somehow separate from what they are doing. still at least they showed a few clips of biden that made we want to leave the planet – and one of barack going spectacularly aphasic.
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CLR says:
Octogalore-the “not recognizing misogyny” statement was sarcasm, although apparently not recognizable as such.
I’m a single woman in a very small town in a very red state. I own a business with two other partners. So, yeah, I’ve dealt with sexism all my life. But I managed to get where I am in spite of it, and I think I’m tougher because of it.
Anyway, I appreciate the substantive responses to my posts. For the rest, I didn’t realize I was a troll just for disagreeing with you. Violet, thanks for the opportunity to converse.
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Medium Dave says:
It’s easy to believe that X is worse than Y, if X affects you personally and Y does not.
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CoolAunt says:
It’s easy to believe that X is worse than Y, if X affects you personally and Y does not.
It’s also easy to believe that misogyny is worse than racism since misogyny affects one half of the Earth’s population, which includes one half of the people of every race.
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Yanni Znaio says:
It seems that the Secret Service takes misogyny-as-expressed-by-hanging-in-effigy seriously when it involves a Vice-Presidential candidate.
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ugsome says:
Good! Let the little jerk have the Secret Service over for tea. Teach the twerp some respect.
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Yanni Znaio says:
I still believe that the PUMAs and those whose minds got made up by the “spread the wealth” comment as well as its reinforcement by the WBEZ audiotapes are going to swing this election to Mc/P.
Many thanks to all of you. My latest blog post Who is "Buckhead" for the WBEZ tapes? contains a hat tip and acknowledgement of this.
God help us if the other bunch gets into office.
Obama/Pelosi/Reid is an almost stomach-turning thought to me.
Unrestrained Democrats are even more dangerous IMHO than unrestrained Republicans.
However, they’re both snakes; it’s just the colors of the stripes that are different.
Best regards,
YZ
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Kiuku says:
It’s hate speech. It seems the SS just went there because they got enough complaints they “had” too but they were all about dismissing it. If it is not violent they “can’t do anything about it”. B.S if that were a black man they could do something about it. But no..hanging women is just silly.
Someone should go there in the middle of the night and replace it with a penis, or Obama.
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d'line says:
“If the same display had been made with a Barack Obama likeness, for example, authorities would have to evaluate it independently, Whitmore said.
“That adds a whole other social, historical hate aspect to the display, and that is embedded in the consciousness of the country,” he said, adding he’s not sure whether it would be a hate crime. “It would be ill-advised of anybody to speculate on that.”
From the story, dated one day after your post.
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Greenconsciousness says:
HEY! Obama troll? Just because we cannot support a republican four more years?? I have fought the sexism I saw in BO’s campaign and it has been horrific. Salem was not the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that hanged Palin. Hate crime came to my mind and then the realization that women are not included as hate crime targets. Once again blacks are covered by the law and women are not.
I thought of all the murdered DV women, battered women, raped women, slaved women, stuffed in tin drums and left to die slow. Chased to the neighbors and stabbed to death. I thought it looks exactly like the Iranian women, whipped and then hung by a crane pulling them slowly up in the air. I thought there is so clearly a hatred toward women in this country – every day we see it and still we are not covered under the hate crimes law.
I wondered why LA women’s groups have not put up a sign saying “This is a Hate Crime” on that fence in front of the house. And the two men who live there together are calling it “art”.But still I voted for BO and I am a radical feminist, not a BO troll. You’re doing a circle the wagon thing while still saying pro life women can be feminists – then you call CLR a troll? and me too I suppose.
The deal is I know McCain will win. BO lost when MSM disclosed the info that Rashid Khalidi was BO’s babysitter. The Jews are gone ala the straw that broke the back. With Odinga in Kenya and Khalidi, Obama lost this election – actually he lost when he did not pick Hillary for VP. And there ARE a lot of people who will vote race but they would have voted democrat if Hillary was on the ticket. The stupidity of the male left will defeat them every time. They think they don’t need women. This does not make me happy.
I believe BO may have done something for economic justice and the environment and would have been different, although not for women. I also voted for him because having come this far I think Afra-Americans will grow considerably from having no one left to blame, having to produce. I think it will have a very good influence.
But I also believe women will never get one GD thing unless they organize as an independent political force and take it. Neither the Repubs or the Reed Pelosi Democrats are going to give it – both parties work for the rich.
http://www.counterpunch.org/gonzalez10292008.html
So women ‘s rights will not be better regardless of who gets in. I do not think McCain will continue Condi Rice’s work at the Office of International Women’s Issues in the State Dept. Nor do I think he will work to improve women’s rights in Afghan and Iraq.
I voted finally for BO because he is better than McCain. I come here to talk to other feminists – that does not make me a troll. Do you only want to talk to women who think and do just as you do?
What do you plan to do when you wake up Wed and McCain is president appointing SC judges and diverting social security money to his corporate friends? Taxing medical benefits? Propping up Wall St? Funding more “faith” based initiatives? Taxing working class people instead of the wealthy? Instead of taxing those CEOs on Wall St with their million dollar bonuses and vacation retreats and palace homes with their slave labor staffs. McCain will favor those foreign and domestic who are reducing US citizen to slave labor that cannot afford to buy their homes. Instead speculators foreign and domestic will buy US homes and rent them to their own kind.
At least BO would have been interesting. Do you think McCain is less sexist? Do you believe the democrats will see the light when BO is defeated and suddenly stand for women and Hillary? Do you think they will reform the caucuses and tell Hillary they’re sorry? Do you think Hill will ever be supported by those in the Dem party? Do you think she will run in a third party? What do we win by defeating/punishing BO?
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samanthasmom says:
Why is it that every conversation we try to have about sexism and misogyny turns into “But what about the racism?” Is there some reason why we can only work to stomp out one or the other? Is there a reason why we can’t work on getting rid of sexism until the racism has been eradicated? They’re both terrible, and we need to work against both of them. One should not be used as a distraction from the other.
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Yanni Znaio says:
samanthasmom says:
Why is it that every conversation we try to have about sexism and misogyny turns into “But what about the racism?” Is there some reason why we can only work to stomp out one or the other? Is there a reason why we can’t work on getting rid of sexism until the racism has been eradicated? They’re both terrible, and we need to work against both of them. One should not be used as a distraction from the other.
October 29th, 2008 at 4:18 pm EST
You haven’t learned to recognize the “race card” when it gets played toward you?
That’s EXACTLY what’s being done, and the purpose of it has nothing to do with racism, either real or perceived– the purpose is to pre-emptively stifle further discussion of the issue at hand in order to avoid addressing it.
It’s usually a sign that someone is intellectually dishonest, or an asshat, or both.
Best regards,
YZ
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Lisa says:
I think it is to distract us. Women are expected (it’s in their nature) to put other’s needs before their own. So every time we talk about sexism others feel like all they have to do is bring up racism, the economy, abortion rights, politics, the weather- and we will concede that of course all of those things are so very much more important than us. We should stop being silly and whiny and racist and having “gripes” and “no sense of humor”.
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Lisa says:
The “it’s in their nature” comment above was sarcasm. I forget that no one can hear me talking. (grin)
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Yanni Znaio says:
Lisa says:
The “it’s in their nature” comment above was sarcasm. I forget that no one can hear me talking. (grin)
October 29th, 2008 at 4:38 pm EST
I’m confused.
Which comment?
YZ
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Lisa says:
Yanni I was just being sarcastic when I said it is in women’s nature to always put the needs of others before our own. Yes I think we do that frequently, but I was saying that people take it for granted that we will because “that is how women are”- kind of thing.
Just forget that part- I am rambling at this point.
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Lisa says:
Oh I see… the post I keep referring to is in moderation. I am going to go lie down now for awhile. LOL.
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Yanni Znaio says:
Lisa:
No problem.
Go and take care of yourself.
For a change.
:-)
YZ
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qaz says:
I’m a single woman in a very small town in a very red state. I own a business with two other partners. So, yeah, I’ve dealt with sexism all my life. But I managed to get where I am in spite of it, and I think I’m tougher because of it.
…and unfortunately there are many women who have never realized their potential and greatness and hence have suffered needless pain because of it.
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d'line says:
I heard today Obama has spent $220 million on his television advertising alone and will spend another $3 million on the 30-minute infomercial.
How much did Palin’s (family’s) campaign clothing cost, again?
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Violet says:
Obama the Drunken Sailor.
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d'line says:
The comment section on the linked newspaper website are complement to your newest post. Not one of the posters got it (at last read). Not one sees the misogyny. How in hell are they gonna remember the lesson four years from now?
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Violet says:
i hadn’t realised until i saw it that biden is basically unable to scratch his arse without saying something earth-shatteringly dumb/offensive.
Thank you. The irony of calling Sarah Palin dumb or inarticulate when her opponent is the spectacularly idiotic Joe Biden — well, it’s not irony. It’s sexism.
If a turnip could talk, it would make more sense than Joe Biden.
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Auguste says:
The only thing I keep wondering is why everyone keeps saying “if” Obama were hung in effigy.
If (there it is again) that’s not an intentional choice of words, then this qualifies as a distraction, and I withdraw. But I don’t believe that it’s unintentional. And if it is, and if those of you using the word “if” honestly don’t know why that’s a bogus word use, then maybe the media isn’t quite as in the tank for Obama as you think.
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Auguste says:
Ever in search of fairness, I should have included ‘would’ above.
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Violet says:
I see no problem with the word “if.” “If this were Obama being hung in effigy, there would be outrage.” Sounds like a perfectly good sentence to me. Grammatically correct, and factually truthful. Whenever any idiot has hung Obama in effigy, there has been outrage.
Auguste, since you write for websites that have engaged in slandering both Hillary Clinton (as a would-be murderer, among other things) and Sarah Palin (as a cunt who needs to shut the fuck up), I suggest you go fuck yourself. Goodbye.
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octogalore says:
“And if you vote for McCain, you are voting for skinheads who want to kill 102 black kids at a school. Makes as much sense.”
CLR: nope, that doesn’t work. Reason? Because flawed or not (and it certainly is), the McCain campaign has spoken up about the racism and condemned it, as well as having been called on it by the media. The Obama campaign never spoke about the shrugging off of HRC, never denied the appearance of giving her the finger and never thoughtfuly addressed the multiple occasions of sexist language used against her or Sarah Palin.
“I want to increase the taxes on higher income taxpayers, particularly on qualified dividend income.”
Interesting phrasing there. Do you in fact want increased revenues so that we as a country will be more economically stable, and reduce the deficit? Do you want additional revenues for needed programs regarding health care and education for the less fortunate? Or, do you want certain people punished generally? From what you state, sure seems like the latter. I think all here agree about economic justice being a good goal; it’s just interesting to me that you didn’t state it in terms of that kind of result, but focused on the means. I’m thinking there’s something going on with that.
“I am voting for the side most likely to support the laws I want.”
Did you catch Violet’s earlier post about Obama’s earlier support for Justice Roberts, which he flipped on only when an aide told him to? I wouldn’t be too confident.
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Yanni Znaio says:
UPDATE: It’s been pulled down.
It seems that the idiot^H^H^H^H^Hhomeowner had a little chat with the mayor.
The article indicates that the neighbors were a bit pissed off as well.
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Bruce says:
So who do you think would be worse, Obama or McCain? You don’t get to say both because either one or the other will be the next President, so those are your two choices.
I understand your frustration. I know Obama doesn’t walk on water. I would have been perfectly happy with Hillary. But Jesus Christ, putting McCain in the White House would be disastrous at this point. Vote for Obama and keep on fighting the good fight and let’s keep trying to get the Democrats to be a real Liberal party.
Or go ahead, give your vote to McCain. I hear he was rated 100% by every feminist organization in the country.
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leslie says:
There was an incidenet of Obama hung in effigy at UK (kentucky). It was removed ASAP because it was considered a hate crime.
People were aghast. SS was involved. or mabe the FBI. I don’t remember now. But it just happened and I read it on either riverdaughter, or noquarter. The reaction to it was vastly different from the “artwork” in CA.
I’m just saying this for information’s sake.
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Violet says:
Bruce, I think this post will explain it for you:
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Carmonn says:
“The Obama campaign never spoke about the shrugging off of HRC, never denied the appearance of giving her the finger”
Didn’t Wright or Flager actually call her a bitch? Never ever felt the need to apologize to her for that or for anything they said, was never put on the spot about it. Never apologized or was asked about that Congressman from TN, Steve something, said Glenn Close needs to stay in the bathtub. Can you IMAGINE what would happen if anyone who supported Clinton, never mind being personally associated with her, had made statements like that about Obama? She’d be grilled about it non stop, foced to issue an immediate public apology which would then be dismissed as insincere, it would be taken as proof she should depart the race, anything similar to the Glenn Close thing would be viewed as a call to assassination. Unreal.
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Kat says:
It is bizarre that anyone would think that hanging an effigy of anyone was “funny” or “harmless” as these clueless men did. Hanging an effigy of an anonymous woman or man would be offensive. Hanging an effigy recognizable as a real person is incredibly offensive.
The Obama supporters went crazy when it was said that a man yelled “Kill him!” when Gov. Palin mentioned Obama at a rally. The FBI and/or the Secret Service investigated and found no evidence of this occurring. Now we hear that a man yelled “Stone her! Old school.” at a Palin rally. Where is the righteous indignation of the Obama supporters now? Each event, if it occurred, is wrong. Civilized people ought to agree on that.
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m Andrea says:
It seems that the Secret Service takes misogyny-as-expressed-by-hanging-in-effigy seriously when it involves a Vice-Presidential candidate.
The vast majority of people have no outrage over the misogyny directed towards Palin in this incident — as evidenced by the lack of outrage over the constant misogyny throughout this entire campaign. The outrage is directed at the NOOSE. The perpertrator was implicitly assumed to be one step away from hanging a 1) BLACK 2) MAN 3) WHO MAY BE PRESIDENT. This was mentioned indirectly several times in that linked article.
Nobody really cared that it might be violence against females.
Besides that, the interpretation of doing “something” to a political leader in effigy usually involves burning, or did I get that wrong? And it normally only occurs after the political leader has been leading a nation for awhile, and perceived to have done a horrible job. It is the ultimate symbolic insult from the peasants to their leader, so there is really no reason to do this to a person who 1) hasn’t been elected yet and 2) would only be vice-president.
What is being expressed is the perpertrator’s belief that merely by running for second in command, a woman has already violated the sacred principle upon which this great nation was founded which specifically forbids non-penis-people from running for high office.
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Keri says:
Oh and look how the outrage in the media and left blogosphere goes- only for MOC. If it’s a WOC and no MOC tells the white fauxgressives and white dominated media to be outraged- ala IMUS infamous racist and sexist slur (and even there lots of the fauxgressive were dismissive and said “it was just a joke” etc… they will attack the WOC- as in the Duke rape case. Some of the ugliest racist and sexist attacks on that woman came from Kos and the rest of the left blogosphere.
Oh and look how those same white fauxgressives screaming racism about any criticism of Obama are trashing Cynthia McKinney. Isn’t it interesting how those white fauxgressive can call her a crazy c— and other insults and that’s perfectly okay… It’s like what Shirley Chisholm said in 1972.
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m Andrea says:
And the other thing is that of course for all his incompetencies, no one ever hung GWBush in effigy. It is undeniable that race is playing a part in these types of incidents, which proves that we are not as far along in civil rights and overcoming societal bias as we should be.
Incidently, posters here do not get labeled as a troll for being “sarcastic”; they are called a troll for being anti-woman.
Feminists are constantly reminded that we can’t possibly be “real” feminists if we don’t care about ALL oppression, but if that is true then the basic principal applies to all: a set of policies belonging to one candidate who claims to fight oppression cannot be authentic if any part of his policy is deliberately harmful to a disenfranchised group. Obama is a hypocrite and THIS IS OBVIOUS RIGHT NOW. You will have zero excuse after the election to say you “didn’t know”.
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d'line says:
Sure they pulled it down. But what bothered them was not the women hating (which they didn’t get) or because she was a VP candidate (that is the legal point which also hadn’t occurred to them.)
It was because she is WHITE. They said if it’s wrong to hang a Black in effigy, it’s wrong for white.
So we’re still nowhere on the real issue here.
(By the way, cool handle Yanni Znaio. Means “I don’t know” in Ukrainian.)
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CLR says:
Octogalore–Sorry, I got a little technical with the tax provisions. Qualified dividends currently have a max federal income tax rate of 15% under Bush’s tax law. For example, a person who has $70,000 in qualified dividends (which is most dividends paid on publicly traded stock) would pay approximately $6000 federal income tax. To earn this $70,000 in dividends requires that you own several million dollars worth of stock. Now compare to an individual who has $70,000 earnings from a job. This person would pay approximately $11700 in federal income tax. Both examples assume single individuals with no other income or deductions and 2007 tax rates for simplicity’s sake. So the multi-millionaire pays $5700 less tax on his $70000 income than the wage-earner does on his.
So, no, I don’t want to punish the guy who owns all the stock. I want to quit punishing the guy with only a job.
What this provision does is make our progressive tax system significantly less progressive because a large portion of very wealthy people’s income comes from income that has a max 15% tax rate. And this example does not take into account social security taxes.
In my opinion, this is one of the worst provisions in the tax code. Many people are not aware of this because they do not have enough dividend income to benefit.
Anyway, I apologize for not being clearer in the original post.
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Yanni Znaio says:
Keri:
re: fauxgressives.
Nice.
Did you create that little neologism?
YZ
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Yanni Znaio says:
d’line says:
Sure they pulled it down. But what bothered them was not the women hating (which they didn’t get) or because she was a VP candidate (that is the legal point which also hadn’t occurred to them.)
It was because she is WHITE. They said if it’s wrong to hang a Black in effigy, it’s wrong for white.
[snip]
(By the way, cool handle Yanni Znaio. Means “I don’t know” in Ukrainian.)
Your point about WHY they were upset [white vs. woman] is interesting.
Thomas Sowell says that more whites were lynched than blacks. And as thoroughly as he researches things, I tend to believe him.
I learned more about slavery that I had never read about or been taught in school in his chapter on “Free vs. Unfree Labor” in his “Intermediate Economics”.
But we virtually never hear about whites getting lynched, just like we virtually never hear about battered men, and we don’t hold fundraisers for prostate cancer.
The world is not a fair nor equitable place, nor will it ever be.
As for my handle, it means the same thing in Russian.
Go to my blog and scroll all the way down to the bottom.
It’s down there in Cyrillic.
Best regards,
YZ
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Keri says:
No, I don’t have the honor of creating the term “fauxgressive”. I believe Anglachel might have- that’s the first place I saw it. I thought it was so perfect I’ve used it since then.
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Violet says:
I think it was Melissa McEwan at Shakespeare’s Sister.
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NJW says:
If you hang an effigy of our “dear leader” on the University of Kentucky campus you get arrested for disorderly conduct, think they would have done the same if it had been one of Palin?
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Yanni Znaio says:
NJW says:
If you hang an effigy of our “dear leader” on the University of Kentucky campus you get arrested for disorderly conduct, think they would have done the same if it had been one of Palin?
I doubt it.
They’d have probably used it as the theme for a keg party.
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Yanni Znaio says:
m Andrea says:
And the other thing is that of course for all his incompetencies, no one ever hung GWBush in effigy.
I believe he was, but it was either in the Middle East or in Asia.
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Kiuku says:
2 -arrested- for hanging Obama effigy:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2.....ma-effigy/
fucking men.
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Kiuku says:
I am so sick of men. I wish they would all just take their penises and die.
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DancingOpossum says:
Ulp! Can my bf keep his?? I kinda like it.
Not all men, surely. There are some women who are nasty pieces of work, too ya know.
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Kiuku says:
Yea but I don’t blame them (the women), Dancing. And yea I’d like to see all men drop dead. If it had to be all men for most men, I’d say go for it.
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Yanni Znaio says:
Kiuku says:
I am so sick of men. I wish they would all just take their penises and die.
October 31st, 2008 at 12:40 pm EST
I can either respond to that by taking umbrage or with humor.
I’ll choose the latter.
I sure as hell don’t think they’d LEAVE THEM BEHIND.
(rimshot, ducks, runs)
Best regards,
YZ.
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Yanni Znaio says:
They’re burning Sarah Palin in effigy now.
Those Europeans are just *so* civilized…we really ought to emulate them a bit more, don’t you think?
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CoolAunt says:
DancingOpossum says:
Ulp! Can my bf keep his?? I kinda like it.
Not all men, surely. There are some women who are nasty pieces of work, too ya know.
Yep. And when those women and all women are no longer members of an oppressed class, they’ll damn well be held accountable for it.
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Yanni Znaio says:
Vin Suprynowicz, one of my favorite Libertarian journalists, has some thoughts on who he’s voting for, and why.
Thought y’all might enjoy him in case you weren’t acquainted with his writing.
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Yanni Znaio says:
Yanni Znaio says:
m Andrea says:
And the other thing is that of course for all his incompetencies, no one ever hung GWBush in effigy.
I believe he was, but it was either in the Middle East or in Asia.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:51 pm EST
Followup:
I’ve been able to Google newspaper accounts of Bush being burnt in effigy in the UK, India and France.
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Yanni Znaio says:
I’m surprised that nobody commented on my #76.
That may be one of the funniest things I’ve ever said online.
Doubly so when you consider that I’m an XY myself.
YZ
