President of L.A. NOW endorses Palin
At the rally in California, Shelly Mandell introduced Palin with these words: “I know Sarah Palin cares about women’s rights. As vice president, she will fight for you. She cares about our children and she cares about women’s lives.”
And then, as she handed over the microphone to Sarah Palin, Mandell said, “This is what a feminist looks like.”
Here’s the video of Palin at the rally following Mandell’s introduction, making some choice remarks in connection with Madeline Albright and a coffee cup:
56 Responses to “President of L.A. NOW endorses Palin”
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Sis says:
McCain who?
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HeroesGetMade says:
What a quote to throw out there … serendipity, perhaps? Women who won’t support other women have been on the brain for quite some time now. I’m still sifting through the avalanche of reasons women gave for not being able to support Hillary, and now there’s the glee with which women are supporting the ‘Palin is a stupid bimbo’ narrative. I am most grateful to Violet for taking on this thankless task, because without understanding it, I don’t see how we get to that 30%.
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Tabby Lavalamp says:
I’ve never been more happier to not be American. I’m a feminist, but I’m more than that too. I’m a liberal, an atheist, and a mostly pacifist (war is something that should always be a last resort and only if it will save more lives than it will cost). I’d no more be able to vote for Sarah Palin than I would be able to chew off my right leg and beat myself over the head with it.
On the other hand, I would’t be able to vote for Obama Barack either, which is why I’m very happy to not to have to make the choice.
I’d like to think I’d vote for Cynthia McKinney, but I’m being a pragmatist in our own election this month and voting for the Liberal candidate in my riding despite how much they’ve pissed me off in recent years because it’s very important to not let Stephen Harper get a majority, and in my riding the Liberal has the best chance of unseating the Conservative incumbent (oooh to live south of the river where it’s the NDP candidate who has the best chance). But enough of boring people with Canadian politics. Back to Palin…I do like it when you defend her against unjust attacks, but she does seem to be determined in making sure there are things she can justly be attacked over…
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2.....2414.shtml
(SAN FRANCISCO) Before her campaign plane took off for a Sunday fundraiser here, CBS News asked Sarah Palin to respond to an analysis by the Associated Press that concluded her attempts to establish a friendship between Barack Obama and Weather Underground member William Ayers were “unsubstantiated and carried a racially tinged subtext that John McCain himself may come to regret.”
“The Associated Press is wrong,” Palin said. “The comments are about an association that has been known but hasn’t been talked about, and I think it’s fair to talk about where Barack Obama kicked off his political career, in the guy’s living room.”
Palin was referring to an event that Ayers hosted for Obama early in the Illinois senator’s career. But the AP notes, “No evidence shows they were ‘pals’ or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career.”
In what the AP called “a deliberate attempt to smear Obama” in a way that was “exaggerated at best if not outright false” and at a time when the McCain campaign has been losing ground in the polls, Palin on Saturday told an enormous crowd in Carson, California, that Obama “sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists.”
Palin repeated her string of highly personal attacks against Obama’s character and judgment at two private fundraisers throughout the day, even as she lamented that CBS News’ Katie Couric asked her questions in a series of interviews that made her think, “C’mon, let’s start talking to the American people about the issues you guys want to know about.”
Palin on Saturday painted Obama as someone who “is not a man who sees America as you and I see America,” and on Sunday, Palin did not back down an inch in hammering the Democratic nominee.
“And he, of course, having been associated with that group, a known domestic terrorist group, it’s important for Americans to know,” she told CBS News. “It’s really important for Americans to start knowing who the real Barack Obama is.”
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Violet says:
That AP article was jaw-droppingly off the wall. Racial tinge? WTF? Ayers was a terrorist; that’s a fact, and there’s no “racial tinge” about pointing out his longstanding relationship with Obama, which, contrary to what the Obambot AP reporter claims, is substantial. Ayers launched Obama’s career and gave him the job heading up the Annenberg Challenge as a political resume padder.
A lot of people think Obama’s character judgment is flaky at best. From what I’ve seen of his Chicago pals (Rezko, Ayers, Wright, Pfleger) there’s not a one of them I would even want to be in the same room with.
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Violet says:
Personally I would be happy if the videotapes of Father Michael Pfleger and Rev. Jeremiah Wright were played on TV every night from now until the election. It astonishes me that any self-respecting woman would vote for a man who chooses people like that as his friends and mentors — and keeps them for 20 goddamn years.
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EGBOK321 says:
Thanks for being so direct, Violet–as my old aunties say, “You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.” Of course it matters who a person hangs with.
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Yanni Znaio says:
Tabby Lavalamp:
LOVE your screen name.
Tell you what.
If you’ll not pray for my elections, I’ll pray for yours.
That only seems appropriate, given our personal beliefs.
Best of luck,
YZ
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Anna Belle says:
Violet, don’t forget that Ayers also owes his entire resurrection to nepotism on the part of his father on he and his wife’s behalf. She still works for Northwestern University, where Thomas Ayers, former CEO and well-connected corporate player in Chicago, was on the board. Thomas Ayers himself was on the Annenberg Challenge board with Obama and his son Bill. It’s a nepotistic mess. So calling attention to it is absolutely appropriate. This is how Obama plays, this is who he plays with. And Ayers is a monster. He was one, and he continues to be one.
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Tabby Lavalamp says:
Violet, yes, Obama has a connection to Ayers, but this is no more than a really blatant attempt to play into the “secret Muslim” fears that many people already have about Barack Hussein Obama, that he plans to hand the keys to the White House over to bin Laden on inauguration day. Despite his many, MANY flaws, the man is no more going to be chummy with terrorists than… well, any government of any country who ever got chummy with terrorists when it advanced their own agendas.
Yanni, fair enough. Thankfully I don’t believe in the power of prayer or I would be concerned about the libertarian distopia you’d pray into existence. [insert smiling emoticon]
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Violet says:
but this is no more than a really blatant attempt to play into the “secret Muslim” fears that many people already have about Barack Hussein Obama, that he plans to hand the keys to the White House over to bin Laden on inauguration day.
No, I’m sorry; I completely and utterly disagree. That’s what the Obamabots want you to think it’s about, because that way they can deflect genuine examination of Obama with their usual bugling cry of “racism!”
What Palin is trying to do is to get Obama’s nasty background on the front page. It hasn’t been examined in the media; they’ve given him a pass consistently. That’s why so many people still imagine that he’s some Purity Paragon, or at least a decent guy. He’s not.
Pay attention to Chicago, and the voters will see all the things the media has hidden: the corruption, the graft, the do-nothing sinecures, the misogynist preachers, the machine thugs who were bused from Chicago to Iowa to steal the caucus — it all starts in Chicago.
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Tabby Lavalamp says:
That’s what the Obamabots want you to think it’s about
But that’s the thing. I’m not swayed by the Obamabots because I don’t like him as a presidential candidate and I loathe the tactics that got him the nomination. So it doesn’t matter what they want me to think, I came to that conclusion on my own upon seeing the quote the first time (the linked article was just the first thing that came up in Google).
Since 9/11, anyone who has spoken up against bombing the bejeebers out of innocent brown people has been accused of terrorist sympathies and that has been an ongoing tactic used against Obama, including pretty much any time his middle name is used.
It’s the same thing with Palin. There are enough legitimate issues to go after her on that misogynistic attacks are repugnant and pointless. The Right’s attempts to paint Obama as a terrorist sympathizer are just as bad.The problem is that the more each side uses those tactics, the harder it is to defend either one of them when such tactics are used against them.
Urgh. The first ever female vice presidential candidate and the first ever African-America presidential candidate, and it’s these two and both of them benefiting from tactics that set both causes back by years. Maybe you guys can get a re-do amended to your constitution to allow revotes in new primaries until the best candidates are chosen.
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Tabby Lavalamp says:
Correction: The second ever female vice presidential candidate, but the first with a chance to win. Yeesh, I know Ferraro ran with Mondale who had no chance in winning, but I still don’t understand how so many people voted for Reagan (or his ongoing adoration by conservatives).
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ea says:
Tabby Lavalamp, I think Dr. Socks is right about this–Palin talked about how Obama’s political career started in Ayers’ living room.
Remember, the AP was the source of the “Clinton concedes” story when it was false. The only thing you can confidently take away from the report is that Palin brought up Obama’s past.
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Violet says:
Since 9/11, anyone who has spoken up against bombing the bejeebers out of innocent brown people has been accused of terrorist sympathies and that has been an ongoing tactic used against Obama, including pretty much any time his middle name is used.
Okay, the fact that you actually think this is the “ongoing tactic used against Obama,” branding him a terrorist because he speaks up against bombing “innocent brown people”…well, that’s exactly what the Obamabot media wants you to think. They’ve been beating that drum all year. Any criticism of Obama — whether it’s for his fraud or his lying or his dirty politics — is immediately decried as racism. “You just hate him because he’s brown and he’s against bombing innocent brown people!” (Actually, you know, he’s not against bombing innocent brown people; he’s quite fond of talking about how he’s going to kick some ass in Pakistan and other places. Fucking chump.)
Anyway, the cry of racism is a tactic to squelch dissent, to forestall even minimal examination of who this sleazebag crook really is.
Talking about Chicago is not racism. Gov. Palin says it’s time the American people understood who Obama really is, and I agree. No, actually I think it’s way past time.
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Violet says:
Besides, there is no connection between the Weathermen and modern Islamic terrorists. Every American over 40 remembers the Weathermen very well. How on earth is it racist to examine Obama’s friendship with Ayers?
If Obama had been friends with Timothy McVeigh, or Eric Rudolph, would it be verboten to mention it because the very word “terrorist” is somehow racist?
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Tabby Lavalamp says:
Perhaps I shouldn’t have used the “innocent brown people” line, but I wanted to differentiate between the innocent people who were killed on 9/11. But I don’t see the terrorist sympathy tactic as necessarily racist as it’s been used against people of all colours. Yes, Obama’s skin colour and name help sell it, but it’s about appealing to the fear of Middle America that suicide bombers will be walking down Main Street, Small Town Kentucky if Obama wins.
They’ve been doing this well before anyone outside of Illinois ever even heard of Barack Obama. They used it against John Kerry (along with “OMG TEH GAYZ R GONNA MARRY!”) and anyone with the temerity to say anything negative against the War For Oil.
Republicans accusing anyone of cozying up with terrorists isn’t (entirely) racism, it’s fear-mongering that has worked very well for them since 2001. Obama’s connection to Ayers isn’t a good thing, but as bad as Obama is, he is not pro-terrorism or anti-American for that matter (another accusation that was thrown in there).
This is my distaste for that tactic through the last seven years (most of those years being well before Barack) coming out and the visceral response it brings out whenever I see any Republican connecting any opponent with pro-terrorist leanings. -
Anna Belle says:
I agree, Violet. Ayers isn’t a brown terrorist, so I don’t see how this can be racist. And this was domestic terrorism, not middle eastern terrorism. It’s a laughable stretch, and I am completely unsurprised they’ve already tried it.
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CoolAunt says:
“Since 9/11, anyone who has spoken up against bombing the bejeebers out of innocent brown people has been accused of terrorist sympathies…”
By whom have they been accused? That was a gross exaggeration.
“…and that has been an ongoing tactic used against Obama, including pretty much any time his middle name is used.”
Crying “Racism!” and accusing the messenger of hating Muslims (ironically always followed by emphatically stating that Obama isn’t Muslim) any time Obama’s relationships with savory characters is mentioned are the ongoing tactics that Obama and the Bots use.
Somewhere between the lunatic fringe on one side that want to bomb the bejeebers out of innocent brown people and the Obamabots on the other are people who know that Obama’s friends and colleagues run the gamut from crooks and cheats to known, admitted terrorists but can’t speak about those alliances and ask why would such a righteous dude as Obama hang with them without the lunatics on one side shouting accusations that we’re among the lunatics on the other side.
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betsyfromtexas says:
Oh, clever Tabby, you are going so far off topic…Let’s talk feminism and why Sarah is such an exciting prospect for us women! I kinda admired Angela Davis when I was a young ‘un, but I GREW UP! So, to borrow from Malcolm X: “by any means necessary” re Sarah bringing up Obama’s unsavory friends and connections. He and his posse must not gain the White House! I want to see Sarah continue the attacks, because Obama and his ilk are a menace to society (with no apologies to the rappers and the rap culture who support him)!
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ugsome says:
Violet, I’m from Chicago. In fact, my last address there was 1/2 block from Senator Obama. We shared the same polling place. I had to elbow my way past media to vote for him because he was there at the same time. I sometimes saw him in the neighborhood at local functions.
Us Chicagoans have a high tolerance for political weirdos, shenanigans, and off-color dealings. At the time I voted for Obama for Senate, I did not know of his association with Ayers. I did know about Ayers, even saw him speak at a panel discussion at a screening of Rebels with a Cause. My opinion of him is that he was a highly irritating self-congratulatory revolutionary glamor puss. Mumia and Peltier are rotting in jail while Ayers isn’t because the former is a black man from Philly and the latter is a native from the rez, but Ayers walks free and enjoys respectability because his Daddykins is CEO of Commonwealth Edison. Revolutionary, my pasty white ass.
The day I found out about Ayers’ relationship to Obama I slapped myself on the forehead and said, “WHICH genius at the DNC green-lighted his candidacy?” In the context of Chicago or Illinois politics, Obama’s associations are, at best, annoying but part of the local political landscape; but they do NOT scale to the national stage. To have a character like Ayers be that closely associated to the Presidency is highly destabilizing. The President is the symbol of the nation, he or she serves all the people. A close association with someone who sought to undermine the nation is inflammatory to a huge number of citizens. It’s not going to work. Period. I could have told the DNC that for twenty-five cents.
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slythwolf says:
Violet, I saw the racial overtones in “he doesn’t see America the way you and I do”–it’s othering. It’s a white person talking to white people about a black person, the way I see it.
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CA NOW says:
California NOW has issued a statement reaffirming support for Obama/Biden and repudiating Shelly Mandell’s support of Palin.
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FemB4Dem says:
There is nothing at all racist in Palin’s hardhitting comments. Ask yourself this — if it were Biden who had the exact same relationship with domestic-terrorist Ayers, and Palin attacked him for it, with the same words, would that be racist? Of course not. It would be seen for what it is, the same type of attack that was made, for example, against John Kerry, that his view of American is different from Joe Six Pack’s view of America. Big deal. We’ve seen this before. While this type of attack on a candidate’s patriotism, elitism, “otherness” or whatever else you want to call it (rememeber the whole meme about Kerry being too French?) may not be to your taste, it is hardly racism.
The plain fact is that Obama and Ayers are long-time pals, and Obama has been running away from him as fast as he can, and so far, the MSM is letting him, and abetting him, in doing just that. Tying Obama to Ayers and his radical past is a legitimate line of character attack — both regarding Obama’s judgment in his friends, and also as an attack on Obama’s fake “facts,” which his campaign manufactures and the MSM distributes. Even Mayor Daley — the crooked King of Chicago — has said Obama and Ayers are friends. Yet now the NYT is helping Obama say nope, they just sort of know each other, and the AP wants to call Palin’s comments about this Ayers topic racist? Please.
As Violet said earlier, if Palin or McCain had even a quarter of the relationship Obama has with Ayers, with Eric Rudolph or Nichols (the Oklahoma City bomber), or Ayers himself, the media would cover it 24/7. Racism does still exist, but this isn’t it. If Obama cared one whit about race relations in this country, he would come out and say so. As it is now, the MSM is in the process of creating the atmosphere for a race war if McCain/Palin pull this election out. Now that is scary.
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soopermouse says:
just a couple of notes:
1. According to Islamic Law, Obama is Muslim. His father was a Muslim when he was born, that makes him a Muslim. ON the sqame line, according to Jewish Law, I am jewish because my maternal grandmother was one. Whether I choose to identify myself as such or not- and I did both at vaqrious parts of my life, that doesn’t change it. We know he converted to Christianism ( I don’t like the term Christianity) later. However, what peeves me is that he is acting like beign called a Muslim is a smear. There is fuck all wrong with being a Muslim. But by doing so, he reinforces the “only Christians are fit for the office” meme. Fuck him.2. If being pro abortion is the litmus test of beign a feminist nowadays, then why are these women enjoying the right to vote for whom so many anti abortion feminists worked? Didn’t Susan B Anthony called abortion “child murder”?
I heard people saying that the early feminists were anti abortion because it was a crule procedure that put women in danger. But That’s not what I gather from said women’s own words. “Child murder” is word by word what fundies today say- baby murder. So, which one is it?
Because if these women aren’t wiling to give up the right to vote won by these horrible antifeminists like Susan B Anthony, then they sure are some disgusting hypocrites. Just my 3 cents. -
Carmonn says:
“Since 9/11, anyone who has spoken up against bombing the bejeebers out of innocent brown people has been accused of terrorist sympathies”
But that’s not what’s happening here. In fact, what’s happening is that it’s being pointed out that Obama’s wealthy, white, politically well-connected and influential friend is a terrorist, because he planted bombs and terrorized people, and the media is saying, in essence, oh no, pish tush nonsense. Terrorist activities don’t make a nice uppper class white American like Bill a terrorist–terrorists are those scary brown foreigners.
What if Obama had the same relationship to another domestic terrorist, John Salvi, the abortion clinic shooter?
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soopermouse says:
they would have made up an excuse for it
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Happenstance says:
William Ayers’ connection to Obama has been known by the media for a long time; they just can’t NOT talk about it now. So now they have to shape the spin–”Oh, my. Sarah’s engaging in swiftboating and maybe a bit of racism!”–rather than, say, jam a mike in Ayers’ face and let him go hog wild.
And he would, too. Ayers’ is deliriously happy that he and his crew tried to firebomb a judge and his family, and got off the hook. He was delighted with himself to pose for a picture stomping the flag. He’s not a subtle or thoughtful person. (As noted in other comments, Daddy got him a cush job–just like Li’l Dubbie.)
The only thing possibly keeping Ayers from repeating the Rev. Wright debacle is Obama’s handlers, who I’m sure have already paid him a “refresher” visit to remind him to STFU.
But you can’t make the interviews and photos go away, any more than you can erase the ill-considered statements of Wright or Michelle. Here’s yet another “mentor” that Obama has tossed under the bus when he became an embarrassment.
Now we’ll see who dodges questions.
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Brian says:
Although I agree to criticize Palin’s remarks as racist appear to be over the top, but that ddoes not justify the smearing of Obama because of ties to Willam Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn. It appears that Ayers/Dorhn held one coffee fundraiser in their home when Obame ran for state senate. Many others also held such events as they are very common in running for state/city officers anywhere. Ayers/Dorhn did not launch his career.
Yes it is true that Ayers and Dorhn in the 1960’s during very tumultuous times joined the more insane part of the Left during that period. However, that was when Obame was 8 years old and in fact Ayers and Dorhn have done some impressive work since–Dorhn has done significant work about kids caught up in the criminal court system and Ayers has done some good work in education–so should their whole life be judged on acts close to 40 yeears ago.
I personally agree that Obama’s comments about bombing Pakistan are more worrisome than any alleged connection to Ayers. However, with McCain/Palin claiming Kissinger (who rightly should have been charged with war crimes) as an advisor and friend, I don’t see much gin going down that road.
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thebewilderness says:
Criminy! I was totally pissed that Governor Palin altered Madeline Albrights quote to imply that women are obligated to “support” her by voting for her.
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goesh says:
Yeah, I remember the Weathermen way back then - ohhhh, they were heavy. Remember that term any of you older folks? Being “heavy’ meant all kinds of cool and neat and serious and great things and violence against the establishment was the main thing that made them “heavy”. Add that to his association with Wright and there are issues here, more so than McCain carries. I certainly would exploit the Wright connections.
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madamab says:
I just have one question for you:
What if John McCain had launched his political career from the Unabomber’s living room?
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Violet says:
It appears that Ayers/Dorhn held one coffee fundraiser in their home when Obame ran for state senate. Many others also held such events as they are very common in running for state/city officers anywhere. Ayers/Dorhn did not launch his career.
Nope. That’s the Obamabot line — just a guy in the neighborhood, nothing there.
It is a fact that Ayers launched Obama’s political career. It was not just some coffee klatch. It was Possum’s debutante party to the Chicago scene. Then Ayers arranged for Obama to be made the chair of the Annenberg Challenge — a job for which Obama had no qualifications; it was intended as a political stepping stone. Later Obama himself cited his chairmanship of the Annenberg Challenge as his key resume item that qualified him to seek political office.
Obama is lying about Ayers the same way he lied about Rezko. Remember that? “Tony Rezko is just somebody my law firm did like 5 hours work for.” Uh huh. Then it turned out that Rezko gave, what, $200,000 dollars to Obama’s campaign? And personally arranged the purchase of a home for the Obamas and put up part of the cost? And received lots of nice favors from Obama once the latter was in office?
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Sis says:
Why do you call him Possum? A possum is an animal we don’t have, so if there’s some significance I’m missing it.
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TheOtherDelphyne says:
I think from Obama’s very own “presidential” seal which had the motto
Vero Possumus
I liked the commenter who asked if it meant something along the lines of “is the road kill really dead?”
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Violet says:
slythwolf:
“he” (Democrat) doesn’t see America the way “you and I” (Republican) do
I have a hard time believing that the rhetoric the right has been using for decades against (white) Democrats — and that the left has been using against (white) Republicans — is suddenly racist.
I’m sorry, but I think Jon Stewart called it a few months ago. People can imagine racism in everything. Which of course is what Obama wants.
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CoolAunt says:
I just posted about this at another blog and am lazily pasting a copy here. So, if it doesn’t flow as part of the conversation here, well, blame me and my laziness. The point here is that Obama and Ayers are closer than Obama admits. As far as I’m concerned, that Ayers planted bombs when Obama was just a child doesn’t change a thing. There is no statute of limitations for past terrorism and one doesn’t become an ex-terrorist when the public no longer recognizes him or his name. Once a terrorist, always a terrorist. It’s not okay for a US presidential nominee to befriend or associate with a US domestic terrorist. Period.
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Bringing up Obama’s relationship with admitted white terrorist Ayers is only racism to those who perceive all terrorists to be dark-skinned. Ironic, isn’t it?
Further, it seems that Ayers and Obama are a little closer than mere acquaintances or neighbors whose kids attend the same school. From this article at the Wall Street Journal http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765... :
Barack Obama’s first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers’s home.[...]
The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created ostensibly to improve Chicago’s public schools. The funding came from a national education initiative by Ambassador Walter Annenberg. In early 1995, Mr. Obama was appointed the first chairman of the board, which handled fiscal matters. Mr. Ayers co-chaired the foundation’s other key body, the “Collaborative,” which shaped education policy.
The CAC’s basic functioning has long been known, because its annual reports, evaluations and some board minutes were public. But the Daley archive contains additional board minutes, the Collaborative minutes, and documentation on the groups that CAC funded and rejected. The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda.
Whether or not the WSJ portrayed the CAC and its cause without spin, and regardless of if you support the cause of the CAC or care about Obama’s involvement in it, you should be concerned that he downplays and even denies his relationship with Ayers. That they really don’t know one another simply isn’t true. The way he’s distanced himself from Ayers is similar to the way he denounced and then disassociated himself from the Rev Wright, his church pastor and friend of 20 years (Wright married Barack and Michelle and baptized their daughters), when Wright’s radical views and words threatened his rise to the presidency. Like Ayers and the CAC, regardless of your opinion of Wright and his views, Obama’s ability to throw him under the bus should be cause for concern. Personally, Obama’s lack of loyalty to Wright and his ability to publicly sever their relationship bothered me a great deal while Wright’s anger toward white America, on the other hand, I can empathize with and try to understand (although being white, I won’t claim to know or understand completely).
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CoolAunt says:
CA NOW says: California NOW has issued a statement reaffirming support for Obama/Biden and repudiating Shelly Mandell’s support of Palin.
I thought it odd and remarkable that NOW would support a Republican politician. NOW’s acceptance of porn as an empowerfulling choice for women reveals, at least to me, that NOW is for and about women supporting the Democratic party, rather than NOW supporting women. NOWs founders must surely be disappointed, too.
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Cyn says:
Well, kudos to Shelly Mandall. She had the guts to endorse a woman.
NOW is now talking about back room abortions ala McCain/Palin. It’s either the politics of fear or they need a brain transplant.
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donna darko says:
Any criticism of Obama — whether it’s for his fraud or his lying or his dirty politics — is immediately decried as racism.
The cry of racism is a tactic to squelch dissent, to forestall even minimal examination of who this sleazebag crook really is.
Obama is a misogynist, homophobic, corrupt Chicago politician who lacks core values and judgment.
None of that was racist.
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Sis says:
Bewilderness, she was reading what was on the Starbuck’s cup, wasn’t she? I wouldn’t know the quote was mis-stated without looking it up, and I’m certainly a feminist. Support, help. No mention of vote. The context for me was the bashing she (and Hillary) have taken FROM WOMEN.
Steinem, Morgan, a couple huge names more that have expressed similar to me privately, amd fpr all I know publicly, I’m too sickened by it to chace it down, some of the American so-called feminist bloggers, as on Huff Post. I thought that was what she was referring to. She then specifically made reference to the media, and what they would do with what she said, in the next day. Watch for it she said.
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DancingOpossum says:
“A possum is an animal we don’t have”
I feel very sorry for you. I adore possums (my screen name predates Obama’s seal, dang it!!), who are gentle, shy, and useful creatures as different from BO as night from day!
I know it’s O/T but I must always step in to protect my beloved marsupials. Carry on.
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betsyfromtexas says:
It is ‘opossum’—’possum’ is a lazy, southern pronunciation of the creature we have in abundance in these parts. I guess we should call Obama O’possum? Maybe Violet meant it as ‘playing possum’—’cause Obama is trying to fake it ’til he makes it? I think a possum is smarter than that blowhard, anyway, and a lot more trustworthy.
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Yanni Znaio says:
CoolAunt says:
CA NOW says: California NOW has issued a statement reaffirming support for Obama/Biden and repudiating Shelly Mandell’s support of Palin.
I thought it odd and remarkable that NOW would support a Republican politician. NOW’s acceptance of porn as an empowerfulling choice for women reveals, at least to me, that NOW is for and about women supporting the Democratic party, rather than NOW supporting women. NOWs founders must surely be disappointed, too.
I am reminded of Peter Drucker’s hypothesis that after an organization becomes larger than 1000 people, its primary mission shifts from whatever it was originally created for to self-preservation.
I think that NOW crossed that bridge a long, long time ago.
Violet, I must say that you attract the most intelligent group of posters I think I see anywhere on the Web.
(And I’ve been online since before the Web- when what was called the Internet was a combination of USENET groups and File Transfer Protocol.)
It’s absolutely a pleasure to peruse the discourse that occurs on this site.
Hat tip to all who post here.
YZ
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Yanni Znaio says:
Tabby Lavalamp says:
Violet, yes, Obama has a connection to Ayers, but this is no more than a really blatant attempt to play into the “secret Muslim” fears that many people already have about Barack Hussein Obama, that he plans to hand the keys to the White House over to bin Laden on inauguration day. Despite his many, MANY flaws, the man is no more going to be chummy with terrorists than… well, any government of any country who ever got chummy with terrorists when it advanced their own agendas.
Yanni, fair enough. Thankfully I don’t believe in the power of prayer or I would be concerned about the libertarian distopia you’d pray into existence. [insert smiling emoticon]
Please don’t. I hate emoticons.
:-)
And I self-describe as a small-l libertarian with strong constitutionalist tendencies. That ought to address the “dystopia question” in twenty words or less.
If not, kindly elaborate and I’d be delighted to discuss it with you in greater detail.
As someone once said, “Words Mean Things”.
And IMHO, “Laws Mean Things”.
A judge shouldn’t just make s**t up because it happens to fit his own personal philosophy.
The unintended consequences of judges doing that are uncertainty in the marketplace (dare I say legal entropy?), and, of course, more billable hours for those who practice law.
The big-L Libertarians are crazy. They’re so permabonded to their abstract principles that they lose sight of the fact that any political philosophy must be tempered with exposure to, and adjustment for, the vagaries of Real Life.
Open Borders? Sounds good on paper.
Will I get banned if I bring up “Camp Of The Saints” in this forum?
N.B.– Raspail was “Not A Nice Person”, but the book raises interesting questions.
Communism sound good on paper as well, if you can stay awake long enough to finish Marx.
Personally, I found Mao’s writings to be an order of magnitude more readable, but I’m sure that the quality of the translation has a great deal to do with that.
Best regards,
YZ
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Alex Curylo says:
“However, that was when Obame was 8 years old … Ayers has done some good work in education–so should their whole life be judged on acts close to 40 yeears ago.”
Perhaps not, if their record since those acts is of unblemished contrition and compensation.
However, it does seem perfectly reasonable to judge their whole life by those acts if they continue to glorify them. A particularly good example of that lack of repentance can, conveniently enough, be found on public record in this particular instance.
”’I don’t regret setting bombs,’ Bill Ayers said. ‘I feel we didn’t do enough.’”
— New York Times, September 11, 2001.http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f.....A9679C8B63
At that time, Obama was not 8 years old. Obama was 40 years old.
It is reasonable to form one’s opinions of Obama’s judgement based on his reaction to the public statement quoted above, I believe. And that opinion would be … poor.
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Lexia says:
Yanni,
Just the fact that you appreciate all of us intelligent posters here show you do know something, your name to the contrary not withstanding.
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Keri says:
I “love” how the Obots are trying to twist the Ayers- terrorist into racism. Give me a freaking break. I guess it isn’t terrorism to Obots if it was a 60’s fauxgressive. The Weathermen were a lot like the Obots back then- upper class white twenty-somethings pretending they were progressives, but actually a bunch of thugs. Real progressives despised them, just like real progressives despise the Obots
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Yanni Znaio says:
Lexia says:
Yanni,
Just the fact that you appreciate all of us intelligent posters here show you do know something, your name to the contrary not withstanding.
Like your screen name.
In my house there are many volumes.
And as for my Nom d’écran
The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.
Socrates.
People who are absolutely sure of themselves are frequently full of themselves as well.
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will says:
Wow.
VS, I hadn’t come here in a long time. I wouldn’t have guessed that you would have written what you have written.
I’ve only read a little, but I am shocked to see you are apparently so pro-Palin and anti-Obama.
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will says:
It is nice to see, though, that you are alive and kicking up a storm as always. It brought a smile to my face, despite my disagreement with what a read.
Have a great weekend.
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Lexia says:
Like your screen name.
In my house there are many volumes.
Ah, you mean Lexia Larson ?
Good catch!
And agreed - the more I know, the more I realize I don’t know. But Socrates said it better.
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Violet says:
Hi, Will.
I’ve only read a little, but I am shocked to see you are apparently so pro-Palin and anti-Obama.
Obama is a sexist who has run a corrupt, sleaze-filled misogynistic campaign — against not one but TWO women this year. Why wouldn’t I be anti-Obama?
Palin is a feminist and a woman who’s trying to break the political glass ceiling. I may not agree with her politics on everything, but why wouldn’t I be “pro-Palin” in the sense that I’m always pro-woman?
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will says:
We will have to simply disagree on Obama and Palin. (I think Chris Clarke has written well on this topic.)
But, coming to your blog brought a smile to my face. I hope you are well.
Take care.
Will
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Yanni Znaio says:
Lexia says:
Like your screen name.
In my house there are many volumes.
Ah, you mean Lexia Larson ?
Good catch!
I have to plead ignorance on that particular reference.
I was just taking the Latin root lexi- as a reference to books.
Explain the etymology of the entire screen name, if you please.
Best regards,
YZ
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Lexia says:
Yanni,
My name is actually a take off on the author of a law treatise that’s published in large loose-leaf binders for each volume - the whole set takes up one and a half bookshelves.
I realized after I posted that your “many volumes” reference was mere serendipity and more likely referred to books or language in general - but I think I prefer it to the real explanation.
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Yanni Znaio says:
Lexia says:
Yanni,
My name is actually a take off on the author of a law treatise that’s published in large loose-leaf binders for each volume - the whole set takes up one and a half bookshelves.
I realized after I posted that your “many volumes” reference was mere serendipity and more likely referred to books or language in general - but I think I prefer it to the real explanation.
You are correct. Every now and then we just “get lucky”.
I did Google it first, and came up with a Lexia, Larson reference.
But I was reluctant to jump to that particular conclusion.
Also found you hanging out on Findlaw with gm address, so I figured that was your area of expertise.
As for taking up space- Did you mean one and a half SHELVES or BOOKCASES?
You should see the documentation for the operating system the midrange systems I manage.
It’s at least two or three shelves worth, but not entire bookcases by any stretch of the imagination.
I’d bet that it’s probably less readable than legal docu- and I say this as one who was a corporate trust officer many years ago. Trust indentures for municipal bond issues are truly soporific documents.
Typo confession: I just typed “lecal” - I hereby define this neologism as a combination of “legal” and “fecal”.
IMHO the English language needs such a word- use as you wish when appropriate as long as you attribute it properly.
I discussed my condensed views on jurisprudence in an earlier post on this thread.
Best regards,
YZ
