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June 23rd, 2008

Somebody’s got a surprise coming

Salon is pulling out all the stops to explain that the silly PUMAs are just venting when we say we won’t vote for Opossum. Walter Shapiro is up first with a piece that is breathtaking in its derision:

As an empty threat, it ranks right up there with “Eat your spinach now or your mother and I won’t pay for college” or even George W. Bush’s taunting promise to get Osama bin Laden “dead or alive.”

Predictably, Shapiro displays zero understanding of what’s actually at stake, and of why women are uniting to exert their leverage over the Democrats. In his estimation it’s all just “ruffled feelings.”

Next comes Rebecca Traister with a piece that is, I believe, intended to be slightly more sympathetic, but is ultimately just as bad. First she explains that, just as we learned in Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, angry ladies simply need to “vent.” Our words don’t really mean anything; we just need someone to pay attention to our hurt fee-fees. With that setup, she goes on to enumerate some of the things women are pissed about (though she gets a lot of it wrong), but assures her readers that none of it actually matters. This is her closing:

In a recent New Yorker profile of Keith Olbermann, MSNBC chief Phil Griffin described how Clinton voters felt alienated from Olbermann’s anti-Clinton coverage: “He turned out to be a jerk and difficult and brutal. And that is how the Hillary viewers see him. It’s true. But I do think they’re going to come back. There’s nowhere else to go.”

Exactly. These angry people have nowhere else to go. So the safe expectation is that they will fall in line without much kicking and screaming. And that, ultimately, is why many of them are kicking and screaming. Yes, they’re going to vote for Obama. Of course they’ll vote for him. The truth is, they’ll probably love voting for him.* But after what they feel has been done to them — the way in which they were written off, marginalized and resented, their hopes mocked and their history-making ambitions dismissed as retrograde identity politicking — damned if they’re going to be nice girls about it.

Traister’s piece is a study in Third Wave feminism, and the reason she has no comprehension of what’s happening is because PUMAs are moved by the spirit of Second Wave. We’re the women who know that sexism doesn’t go away if you lie back and play nice; we know we have to fight and we’re ready for it. Third Wave, on the other hand, is all about accommodation: accommodating patriarchy, primarily — reassuring men that women might fuss a little bit but they won’t actually rock the boat. Maybe a few frowns under the lip gloss, in between the boyfriend’s porn tapes and episodes of Keith Olbermann, but that’s about it. Just a few little glossy frowns.

Somebody’s got a surprise coming.


*This sentence is so weird and freaky and offensive that I almost bolded it when I originally published the post. As you’ll see in the comments, I’m not the only one whose mind was boggled.

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34 Responses to “Somebody’s got a surprise coming”

  1. K.A. says:

    Third Wave, on the other hand, is all about accommodation: accommodating patriarchy, primarily — reassuring men that women might fuss a little bit but they won’t actually rock the boat. Maybe a few frowns under the lip gloss, in between the boyfriend’s porn tapes and episodes of Keith Olbermann, but that’s about it. Just a few little glossy frowns.

    HA! That’s perfect! And, yes, it should be renamed “accommodation feminism,” though that’s much nicer than what I called it when I first discovered the feminist movement (I referred to it as “retarded feminism” until I learned about the different waves and radicalism, and, of course, that the insult was ablist).

    I love how even though women’s backlash against election misogyny is going to cost Obama the presidency, they are still belittling women in the same way as before, and most of them still won’t even use the word “sexism.” Instead, replacement words that allude to it while minimizing what it actually was–like “jerks” and “difficult”–get bandied about. It’s the same as before Hillary was effectively bullied out of the nomination.

    Of course they have to do avoid invoking the dreaded s-word even now that she’s out of our blessed overlord’s way, because once there is a concession that Opossum and his cock-eyed nation of loyal minions are indeed morons who seethe with poorly contained misogyny, then men can’t pull that old game of making women question their own experiences of reality by their refusal to validate it. Women are used to collapsing in on themselves, second-guessing their perceptions, and shutting up when men do that in real life, and that dynamic plays out in the media just as easily.

  2. Mary Tracy9 says:

    “The truth is, they’ll probably love voting for him”

    Does anyone else find that line particularly offensive? (not that the rest wasn’t) Like despite their anger women will eventually come to their senses and not just vote the guy but actually LURVE him? It sounds too much like “she says she doesn’t like it, but she’s just playing hard to get. She’s actually gagging for it!”.

    This whole “democratic” process is pathetic. Having such a large portion of the population voting out of fear and because the bad is preferable to the much much worse is NOT DEMOCRATIC. It’s rubbish.

    I think the female democrats should start up their own party and split the Democrats in half. That should teach them!

  3. Violet says:

    Does anyone else find that line particularly offensive?

    Yes, so much so that I almost bolded it in the quote. Offensive and bizarre. The kind of thing that makes me almost wish women like Traister would stop calling themselves feminists.

  4. octogalore says:

    Mary — that line kind of reminded me of this.

    Key quote:

    “At first they were like, ‘No, it will hurt.’ Then … they finally said okay. It hurt them the first time, but after that they always said they enjoyed it—if not a little, then a lot.”

    Rebecca, speak for yourself. I’m not liking it, I’m not loving it, I’m not doing it.

  5. lillianjane says:

    glossy frowns! That’s wonderful.

  6. Annie Oakley says:

    But I do think they’re going to come back. There’s nowhere else to go.”

    The cluelessness is almost as stunning as the ethical bankruptcy. Not, ‘they will come back because we will make it right with them’ or ‘it was a misunderstanding that we can work out.” Nope, spoken like a wife beater, “She’ll be back. She’s got nowhere else to go.”

    That’s a particularly delusional thing to say about MSNBC, which I have discovered I don’t even miss. Counting on holding entire segments of the public hostage to a party based on the premise that “they’ve nowhere else to go” is not the high ground. And it’s going to look really bad if it turns out that McCain has opened a shelter for battered Clinton supporters. He’s looking better to me all the time.

  7. lorelynn says:

    I, for one, would rather have a baby I didn’t plan to have than vote for Obama. Once that threat is gone, the choice is easy. I’m voting for Clinton in November. Period (or not).

  8. blondie says:

    MSNBC used to be my home page. I used to watch it regularly, including Keith O.
    I have found I certainly do have elsewhere to go.
    Bye bye MSNBC. You’re not my home page, and I don’t watch the he-man, woman-hater’s network (not Fox News, the other one).

    I have nowhere else to go? Guess again. I’m a Second Waver. I’ll make my own g-d place.

  9. Cyn says:

    Goddess, on what level do these people NOT understand? I will not vote for O’Possum. It’s between writing in Hillary or voting for McCain to stick it to BO twice.

    Yes, I will. I am not above being a bitch about this whole thing.

  10. Pat Johnson says:

    They just don’t get it and probably never will. It is up to us women to unite and adopt: “I am as mad as hell and I won’t take it anymore!”

    If it takes a McCain win in November I can live with it. Eight years of Bush has taught me that like a cockroach I am fit to adapt to almost anything.

  11. Gayle says:

    “The truth is, they’ll probably love voting for him.”

    OMG! She did NOT write that!

    Okay, she did.

    In truth, I’m kind of happy anticipating I will not vote for him. This is usual for me. I’ve never actually relished the idea of not voting for a candidate before. I always did that lesser of two evils kind of thing.

    No more. I’m done.

  12. Owenaprhys says:

    “Third Wave feminism”
    More like 5th column feminism.

    And yeah, the “love to vote for him” statement was borderline psycho.

  13. julia says:

    Yesterday at a potluck, a white man told me he voted Obama because racism is much worse than sexism. I said ‘If that’s true, how do you explain women being the poorest class? And that every two minutes, a man is raping a woman?” he laughed and said he’s glad he got divorced. I thought I was going to be sick. He is a blind man - literally and figuratively. Men are blind, and until they prove that they are our allies, we are fools to trust them
    Can I move to another planet?

  14. Tabby Lavalamp says:

    “It’s between writing in Hillary or voting for McCain to stick it to BO twice.”

    I’m not American, so I keep forgetting you have that option (if we do anything than the X on the ballot, it’s considered defaced and is tossed (which I did deliberately once on a ballot)).
    If a candidate can be written in, why not organize a Vote Hillary Anyway campaign? If the over 50% of Democrats who didn’t vote for Obama in the primaries write in Hillary Clinton’s name, that would a roar nobody could ignore. Of course it’s not going to happen, but hell, if 20% vote for her, Obama still won’t win and nobody could ignore the outrage.

  15. BQ says:

    Tabby,
    Not all states have the option to write-in a presidential candidate (mine, OH, doesn’t allow it). After FISA I’m leaning McCain for the double-hit in a swing state, but NEVER Obama. (Did anyone else think his seal bore an odd resemblance to something from the Franklin Mint? I’m seeing a Martha Washington series for some reason…)

    However, I did see an interesting alternative for those states mentioned in comments somewhere. The commenter said to write in Hillary for all the downticket races that allowed write-ins, since those are required to be reported in the official results. It would be interesting to see, imho.

  16. ekittyglendower says:

    I won’t be coming around. To assume I will is simply beyound insulting. It is that very attitude that gives politicians the ability to say, “So.”

  17. Ciccina says:

    Here’s something basic that I don’t get. I remember when I first heard young women calling themselves “Third Wave feminists.” It was 1991. Nearly two decades ago. I think the moment has passed.

    IMHO, Traister, Bazelon et al are not Third Wave feminists, they’re something else. They are No Wave feminists. Its feminism with -

    No solidarity.
    No perspective (class, culture, etc)
    No goals.
    No sacrifices.
    No movement.

    No Wave.

  18. ongoingly says:

    Ciccina: Thank you so much for including Emily Bazelon as one of the “No Wave” Feminists. She is a simpering SIMP on her podcast “Slate’s Political Gabfest” co-hosted with 2 men (I forget their names…but they are an odious pair). I can barely listen to it anymore without screaming and almost throwing my ipod out the window! She is constantly (and seemingly happily) set-up to be put-down, insulted and patronized non-stop and all she does is giggle and chortle and kow-tow to her obnoxious co-hosts. For the love of pete woman! You have a freaking LAW degree and are a senior editor at Slate! These “No Wavers” are a disgrace! Okay, I feel a bit better now. Not better enough to vote for a Misogynist in Chief, tho. Uh, uh. Thanks for being here Dr. Socks!

  19. Ciccina says:

    I’m sure this has been said by someone else, but its difficult to read carefully while my dog is vying for my attention. But here goes.

    So often we experience sexism / misogyny individually. Its a challenge re: movement building.

    Women across the country have just had a shared experience of sexism / misogyny, and we’re angry. We’re talking to each other about it. New connections are being made. New energy is being shared. We’re thinking creatively about what we want to accomplish and how to get there. We’re movement building.

    And what do we hear from so many of our Democratic and progressive ‘leaders,’ pundits, No Wavers? Not encouragement. Oh no. Its “stop what you are doing right now. Don’t rock the boat. We’ll get to your issues later. Don’t organize. Sit down and shut up.” Other than NOW and I’m sure some other women’s groups, no institutional players are talking about how to engage “angry Hillary supporters” in long term progressive advocacy. No one seems to care if they (we) stick around or not.

    Unless I’ve missed it.

    These people are so not our friends.

  20. Infidel says:

    Ole Llama or My Cane, close my eyes and throw a dart. Anything like the old. Oh, but if Hilly were president…. If Hilly were president we’d be in the same soup with a different leader with Ideas like, uh, healthcare and women for a free society and, uh, experience. Like uh she’d strike up the band and Washington would uh, be like the place where all women, black and white, latino and indian, would all be respected because she’d uh play hard ball politics with the elite robber barons and then us of little mind would be comforted by the outpouring of obsequious donations to the society to better the status of those with little mind, and then we would be a more dominant contribution to the economy and cars would run on sun, and beans would grow everywhere and taste like pizza or gumdrops or whatever the genetic scientists would design. But alas unless we all band together now and whup the inflation of Barachs ego, and vote a write in for Hillary Clinton. All that. All our dreams and hope and willingness to listen to her fireside chats which would be broadcast regularly on the Capitol Broadcasting Station. All that hangs in the balance so get out the write in vote now and don’t underestimate the power of the blog.

  21. emma says:

    Yes, I will. I am not above being a bitch about this whole thing.

    Oh god thanks for the best laugh I’ve had in WEEKS. Me too, sister. Me too.

  22. Lynn H. says:

    Ciccina hit it on the head when she said we had a “shared” experience of the misogyny/sexism. That makes a difference. Usually such experience is diffuse, happening over a period of time, whereas this is encapsulated, and we felt it and recognized it together. We must keep talking about it–with each other and with those who don’t understand. We must act on it in every way we can–boycotts, withholding funds and with our votes. We will be heard. We will rise!

  23. Sis says:

    La cucaracha were female soldiers during the Mexican revolution, weren’t they?

    Heh.

  24. Alan says:

    With each post you make, I say you are the few articulate sanity in this insane world. I’m still a new reader to this blog, but I look forward to your voice as a light among the pathetic Obots.

  25. Happenstance says:

    Ranks right down there with “just lie back and enjoy it.” Maybe Obamm-Bamm would consider that a potential slogan? He’s just arrogant enough to think it over.

    I’m a straight male for Hillary. I didn’t vote for her because of her genitalia any more than her skin color or her spouse, but because of her policies, experience, and leadership qualities–and those are the reasons I’ll be writing her name in come November.

    That supporting Hillary (and refusing to guzzle the artificially-sweetened change-flavored Kool-Aid) results in being called an illiberal racist sexist Nazi eunuch…well, that just makes doing my part to break the phony-progressives’ hold on the party that much more enjoyable.

    They can just lie back and enjoy it.

    2000: “To hell with the party candidate! To hell with the consequences! Vote Nader or stay home!”
    2004: “To hell with the party candidate! To hell with the consequences! Vote Nader or stay home!”
    2008: “…What? You have to vote for the party candidate! What about the consequences? Who cares if he ran a smear campaign, surrendered on FISA, and flip-flopped on campaign finances? He’s the candidate the progressives have chosen for you!”
    –The Phony-Progressive Blogosphere: about as Liberal and Progressive as Neo-Conservatives are Conservative

  26. kenoshaMarge says:

    Maybe if these twits keep telling themselves loud enough and often enough that we’ll all come scurrying home to the party that insulted, dismissed and disenfranchised the core of their party, they’ll believe it.

    Because I see this constant drumbeat of “they’ll be back & they have no where else to go” as a propaganda tool to demoralize the PUMA types.

    It won’t work because we ain’t as dumb as they are nor as dumb as they would like to think we are. Instead they just keep riling us up.

    And Traister and her ilk wouldn’t know honesty, integrity or a real feminist if they showed up on her door step wrapped in foil and tied with a big pink bow.

  27. Kim says:

    The two men on the Slate Political Gabfest are David Plotz and John Dickerson. I don’t feel comfortable just bashing Emily - even though I will do that as well. While I would say that both have been sexist and totally biased during the coverage of the primaries, David Plotz was over the top in describing Clinton using words such as vile (he used that word 4 times when talking about her summer gas tax break)and odious and shameless (incorrectly stated that Hillary compared the voters of FL and MI with Zimbabwe). Emily hardly ever disagrees and when she does it is very,very mild, and hearing it in her little girl voice, makes it even less convincing.

  28. BettyBoondoggle says:

    You know, I’m in the “age group” for third wave “feminists” yet, nothing they say resembles feminism to me.

    If Ms. Traister thinks that by using the threats my high school abusive boyfriend used to try to keep me in line (”where else you gonna go? who else is gonna want you?”) is good campaign strategy, she’s more stupid than that pile of shit article lets on.

    Pseudo feminists shouldn’t speak for feminists - unless they’re goal is to show how out of touch they are.

  29. BettyBoondoggle says:

    ” No one seems to care if they (we) stick around or not.”

    Well, not untill they need to use us for their own ends. They try to beat us into submission with threats or roe v. wade ebing overturned, and yet, even when we do vote dem they do nothing to protect repro rights.

    The dems are lost to me. They chose bigotry, stupidity and acquiesence.

  30. ea says:

    Cover your ears…

    AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!! Sorry, but I just had to scream. Women like Ms. Treister almost, ALMOST, make me wish something really bad would happen to them just because they are women. But I honestly can not wish that on anyone, even though they might enjoy it. (This is MAJOR snark.) One of these days, perhaps they will get a clue–before they have children. Do any of you wonder if these women are the girls who where the “princesses” in childhood and still believe they are so special?

  31. Delphyne says:

    Heh, ea - you don’t need to wish anything bad on them or anyone else. Just use the Irish toast: May you get everything you deserve.

  32. Ciccina says:

    Speaking of Irish toasts -

    I have this little fantasy that when the returns come in on election day, we find Obama has lost Florida, Michigan, Penn and Ohio by a few thousand because he underperforms among older white women and Latinas….

    …. but way overperforms in blue strongholds like Illinois, California and New York.

    Thus winning the popular vote by, say, a million, but losing in the electoral vote count.

    Then we get to watch them scurry around talking about the importance of the popular vote vs. anti-democratic rules. And as a side benefit, we finally get the momentum to scrap the electoral college. It would be a two-fer.

    heh heh heh [twiddles fingers ala Mr. Burns]

  33. FemB4Dem says:

    “There, there, sweetie, you’re just overwrought. Of course you’ll vote for Obama. Of course you will, and smile while doing it.”

    NOT! It’s amazing to me how many just don’t get this. I am a longtime Dem — a money sending, door knocking, phone banking, foot soldier dem. No way I vote for Obama. Not only that, if my state is in play in November, I vote for McCain. Otherwise, I will be guilty of agreeing to, and participating in, the greatest screw over of women ever by 1) a major political party, and 2) the mainstream media. And why am I supposed to vote for him? Oh yeah, because the Dems are better for women — especially for those young, Obamam-swooning type women who might need to exercise that right to choose we older women have protected for them for so long. Not this time. Nope, I won’t be an enabler in an attack on my self. It’s really that simple. What’s not to get?

  34. vbonnaire says:

    glossy frowns indeed!

    Violet, I love the way you write! You just got the entire thing together in a glossy lil nutshell!

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