Hillary now leads in the popular vote
Holy fucking shit. I gotta go to bed, but — holy fucking shit.
This can’t last. Somehow the Boyz will find a way to make it disappear. I took a goddamn picture of it for posterity:
22 Responses to “Hillary now leads in the popular vote”
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Red Queen says:
Totally stealing a quote from a commenter at Shakesville “unless she wins by 25 points and then eats Obama’s still beating heart on stage” they won’t call PA a win for her (sorry Shakes commenter if you are reading this. I can’t remember the post it was in :) ) Funny how the goalposts for her keep getting pushed farther away
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:16 am EST -
damnedladies says:
Apologies, I am not link-ucated, but this is what Red Queen mentioned.
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Sis says:
Just a comment from north of the border. We listen to what’s happening in America, here. Our media is filled with American issues and talk, by our pundits, always. Not just when there’s an election. Many people here are better versed on the American election than they are on the Canadian. The reverse doesn’t hold. Ka ching.
But anyway.
I’m listening to a Christian Science Monitor reporter on the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) program “The Current”. (It will be on podcast.) I learned that Obama has $41 million in the bank and she has $8 and is deep in debt to many people, because she is trying to hang on to her balance.
Regarding the elitist comment: I learned, that generally, Americans who make more than $150,000 a year support Obama; those under that income, and working class, support Clinton.
Canadian polls are coming in almost even split for who Canadians think would be the better Dem candidate ‘for Canada’.
He’s getting more and better press in Canada.But he is seen as a bit too ’slick’ and glib. If these two were ours, there wouldn’t be the racism that you see. Not because we aren’t racist, but because he’s black, not native. Capice? There’s talk about the racism toward him, but only a couple articles and one major columnist that I’ve seen over the whole of the time has tackled the sexism toward her.
That was some picture of her with the ‘confetti’ eh?
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K.A. says:
For some reason, AOL polls have ALWAYS shown Clinton ahead nationally and especially on the east coast–probably because of her Senate position for NY. I suppose AOL users fit the demographic Sis describes above, though I had previously chalked it up to the heavy-handed misogynist media bias exaggerating things in favor of fauxgressive Obama when the public has always been more receptive and less sexist toward Clinton. WOW, the general public is more intelligent and trustworthy than the mainstream media. Things are getting out of hand. Is there some annoyingly clever label like “fauxgressive” that combines the words “fake democracy”? Because I, too, want to write precious internet memes that look like tabloid headlines: Brangelina Criticize Fauxreedom Propogated By The Malestream Screedia.
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Lost Clown says:
Sis: I’ve been bemoaning for years that the repubs and dems are just like the libs and cons up there. I want NDP and Quebecoois parties! More left, more left!
(I live next to the border and so have lots to say about Harper, Gordon Campbell *spits* and the like)
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Violet says:
K.A., that’s not a poll. That’s the actual vote count from all the primaries.
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Tabby Lavalamp says:
I’m Canadian too, so as another voice from the frozen north I have two questions.
I see a lot of Obama supporters getting all orgasmic about how he’s going to finally unite your nation after so many years of partisanship.
Question 1) Where do they get the idea he’s going to be able to do this when he can’t even unite the Democratic Party?
Question 2) What’s been keeping their attention diverted the past few decades that they think a Democrat is ever going to win conservatives over without caving in to their every demand? -
Violet says:
I think they’re in the grip of a fantasy. I mean that in all seriousness. To me, the most striking thing about Obama supporters is how many of them impute imaginary qualities and beliefs to Obama. That is true even of people who aren’t raving Obamabots. It’s bizarre.
For example, Obama supporters widely believe that he’s anti-war. It doesn’t seem to matter that the man himself has gone out of his way to say that he’s NOT anti-war, that he wants to expand the military, that he’s open to war on Pakistan, and that he’s voted consistently to support and fund the current war ever since he got to the Senate. Somehow they look at that and it just doesn’t register. Their imagination is stronger than reality.
The war thing is just one of many issues. Glen Ford over at the Black Agenda Report frequently writes about how AAs imagine that Obama holds all kinds of policy positions to fight poverty, etc., that in fact he has never embraced or has actually disavowed.
And feminists who support Obama apparently imagine that he’s a champion of women’s rights, which is just wishful thinking. I guess they look at his support for Roberts and his sexist cracks and somehow none of it registers. Imagination is all.
I’m not saying Obama is evil or anything. He’s just a very centrist Democrat with a lot of right-leaning tendencies.
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Violet says:
To continue, I think the original hope was that somehow Obama would appeal to the Republicans and middle-of-the-road people precisely because of those centrist positions — well, that plus the Shining Light of Glory That Emanates From His Face — and so he would sew up the election. Then once in office he would actually implement the most gloriously leftist agenda ever in the history of the world in accordance with his real beliefs. Or something.
It’s not working out that way. Outside the Obama Hope Lounge, people are saying:
1. Okay, so really he’s a radical? Nope, don’t want that.
2. Oh, wait, no really he’s a centrist? Okay, but if so then Clinton’s better and she’s got a plan.
3. Oh wait, no really he’s kind of a rightist who won’t push ANY progressive policies? Well, shit then, Clinton’s a LOT better.
4. So really we don’t know what he believes or stands for? Kthxbye. -
Carmonn says:
Tabby, Colbert said last night “Obama is uniting the country by running around telling everyone how divisive Clinton is.” lol
I agree with Violet, most of the Obama supporters I know are very well educated, but they can’t rationally explain why they’re supporting Obama. They assume that he’ll be all things to all people and don’t know anything about his actual record and entertain two mutually exclusive ideas at the same time, but it even goes beyond that. They say things like, “We won’t have to worry about Iran or Pakistan, if Obama is elected there will be no more war, ever!” It’s a really strange phenomenon.
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Carmonn says:
Just to clarify, by “very well educated” I mean PhDs, multiple PhDs, etc.
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Lost Clown says:
I think it’s easy to project ideas onto Obama since he’s never really committed one way or the other on a lot of issues.
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K.A. says:
No way Dr. Socks; she always won every weekly straw poll that I’ve ever taken there. But AOL users aren’t a random population sample.
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K.A. says:
I think being an Obamaniac is regarded as an elitist status symbol by his supporters (particularly the immature younger ones): “Look, I’m in the high-income, well-educated demographic, but still vote Democrat because my brain is superior enough to put social issues ahead of tax breaks, because I don’t care so much about those socioeconomic luxuries that I am advertising while trying to obscure that I’d be motivated by such primal vanity issues.” Just as Obama is an empty vessel bearing the “progressive” label, his name is like an empty label for a subculture that is only tangentially related to political issues anymore, more than a communicative symbol for a particular politician. They remind me of annoying hipsters in that way, which unsurprisingly explains why so many scenesters are, without exception, Obamabots.
It’s like they’re trying to have a status symbol Mercedes without any of the garish elements that would make us easily identify it as an ugly Mercedes, thus leading onlookers to think poorly of their motivations.
Among the older demographic that is less susceptible to this stupid phenomenon that speaks volumes about the vapid people to whom I am subjected in my daily life, I think they just hate Clinton (for sexist reasons) or the Clintons (for millions of other reasons) so strongly that any alternative was seen as the automatic choice, the savior, no questions asked.
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octogalore says:
Lost Clown’s right. The second he got into the Senate, he started campaigning for Prez. He’s avoided taking positions and votes specifically to allow the inevitable projection, and some of the smartest people I know are falling for it. My conclusion: I can be a piss-poor judge of smartness.
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donna darko says:
K.A., she has the most primary votes of any Democratic candidate in history! The 55-45 matches the AOL poll so you confused the two.
I think being an Obamaniac is regarded as an elitist status symbol by his supporters: “Look, I’m in the high-income, well-educated demographic, but still vote Democrat because my brain is superior enough to put social issues ahead of tax breaks
Imaginary hip black friend, indeed.
I never heard about him until his 2004 speech and I’m an Illinoisian. He didn’t accomplish anything. He hasn’t accomplished anything as my Senator either. It’s frustrating because I keep waiting for him to do something. In both cases, he was strictly it it for the resume and the Presidency.
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No Blood for Hubris says:
Mass hypnosis.
Why would any actual progressive support a regressive health care plan?
Why would an actual Democrat slag Clinton and praise Reagan?
Why?
Why does Obama worry so about the high price of arugula?
Gakk.
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anna says:
So tell me how Hillary is possibly going to win the nomination, since she can’t win the popular vote or the pledged delegates or the total delegates without Michigan and Florida (which don’t count, whether they should or not.)
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julia says:
You know, we could be celebrating today! This is the 1st time in US a history, isn’t it…
My gut feeing is, be ready for a surpise.
If it gets down to superdelegates, we could make a women’s front and pressure the Party that she must be on the ticket as president or we won’t vote Democrat. Can you imagine Howard Dean bombarded with thousands of e-mails?Obama told the Chicago Tribune in 2004 ‘My position on Iraq is virtually the same as George Bush’s’. His mentor, who he went out of his way to campaign for in 2006, is warmonger Joe Lieberman. He supports nuclear power. He is no longer the civil rights lawyer he once was - he voted against a 30% cap on credit card interest rates which would have kept some people out of bankruptcy. Clinton voted for it. He voted for a major bill that cut class action suits. He sits on the Homegrown Terrorism Act commitee and voted to re-instate the USA Patriot Act.
So how come no on asks him about this?
And what kind of “change” do his supporters expect?
One thing you can say about Hillary - there are no surprises. She’s been investigated, over-exposed, turned inside out, you knw what you’re getting. I don’t think she’s pretending to be anything that she isn’t.
I am Green and I’m voting for Hlllary - so there! -
K.A. says:
OH! I got ya, Donna and Violet; I originally glanced at the screenshot, saw “popular vote,” and thought it was a strawpoll from another source instead of a primary tally. Then I thought Dr. Socks was referring to my AOL poll when she corrected me….
This whole new vegetarian thing isn’t working out for me. I think I need some iron. Sorry, carry on!
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donna darko says:
Anna, today 2% separates the two in pledged delegates, she’s ahead by .04% in popular votes, the DNC rules state they can only strip MI and FL or delegates not popular votes so the popular vote totals stand.
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Ramsin says:
I had to post this. Hilarious.
