The festival of Self-Loathing Christian Ladies continues
Echidne is continuing her dumpster-dive through the Christian lady blogs, and her latest gem is a thread where some nice Christian ladies are happily agreeing that women’s suffrage should be revoked. Here’s a sample:
If you could change one thing about the world, regardless of guilt and politics, what would you do? Hoo-boy, this is where I get in trouble, and that starts with “T” and that rhymes with “P” and that stands for “pool.” I’d like to jump in a pool right now. Some may tell me to jump in a river for this one: I would remove women’s suffrage, and I might even consider making voting rights tied to property ownership.
About woman’s suffrage…I think it’s a matter of covenantal thinking and headship. If women are biblically to be under the headship of husbands and fathers, then those men are to represent the household when it comes to voting.
I completely agree with both removing women’s suffrage and coupling voting rights with property ownership. I am always hesitant to admit my views on the suffrage movement, but I strongly feel that our nation made a grievous error when we allowed women many of the same “rights” as men. First off, I think that voting should be a family affair with the wife putting in her input, but the man ultimately deciding on which candidate he votes for. I think women are too emotional and often vote for the “bleeding heart liberal” cause because it feels right to them.
…I don’t believe women under the headship of a father/husband have any business voting. (I do because my husband commands me too.)
Yowza.
Okay, aside from all the issues of religious upbringing, cultural reinforcement, and so forth, does anybody else get the feeling that there’s some kind of weirdo repressed fetishization going on here of dominance/submission? I mean, these ladies just looooove to talk about obeying and submitting and “headship” (which term is so fucking squidgy I can hardly stand it). Maybe they just need to find a BDSM club and get it out of their systems, you know what I’m saying? Then they could deal with their desires honestly, instead of, say, trying to take over the entire goddamn country just so they can be bottoms.
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Update: Whoops! Better add this sober clarification before I’m misunderstood. It’s not the BDSM or liking for submissive sex that’s fucked up; it’s the repression, the psychological displacement masquerading as über-piety, and you know, the fact that they don’t think women should be allowed to vote.
34 Responses to “The festival of Self-Loathing Christian Ladies continues”
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Steve says:
I’ll say yowza.
This means that some blog somewhere probably also has women arguing that corporal punishment for disobedient wives is a good idea.
The funny thing is, I was just asking myself what this conception of the world leaves for women. And for some crazy reason crocheting came to mind.
And then I realized that if crocheting magically became a profitable, socially valued prestigious activity, the godbag men would be taking the fucking yarn away.
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Hypatia's Father says:
They forgot to include a little plug for the South rising again.
Did anyone confront these fundie freaks?
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CR says:
“Headship” That’s a funny word.
Update: Whoops! Better add this sober clarification before I’m misunderstood. It’s not the BDSM or liking for submissive sex that’s fucked up; it’s the repression, the psychological displacement masquerading as über-piety, and you know, the fact that they don’t think women should be allowed to vote.
I’m laughing for reasons I dare not say on this blog. But this disclaimer- I’m sorry con escuuuse me. It’s cracking me up.
The whole thing is funny. And here I thought you were going to go and get into the national hysteria over flag burning. You’re too smart for me, Miss Violet.
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CR says:
This means that some blog somewhere probably also has women arguing that corporal punishment for disobedient wives is a good idea.
“Here’s a nice stick to beat the lovely lady with.”
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CR says:
Did anyone confront these fundie freaks?
What for? YOu’ll be striving after the wind. it’s too easy and not worthy.
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CR says:
Oh, how I miss Mr. Paul.
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Steve says:
You know one person who gets inadequate blame for a shit load of this submissive self-loathing by all the Mrs. Godbags?
Marabel Morgan.
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Violet says:
They forgot to include a little plug for the South rising again.
Oh, yeah, the racism and classism are also very clear. Too many people have the vote, need to restrict it to property owners, shouldn’t allow welfare recipients to vote, etc.
These are people who think George Bush isn’t right-wing enough. Really — they link to a site that tracks how Dubya has sold out to the left or something. It’s wild.
The irony is that despite being obviously very vicious people, they clearly see themselves as super-nice. The “post” button to submit a comment is labeled “Speak kindly”! And they’re always god-blessing each other. Bleccch. Makes you feel like you need a shower.
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Violet says:
But this disclaimer- I’m sorry con escuuuse me. It’s cracking me up.
Well, there have been some thrashes on feminist blogs about BDSM, with some people saying that it’s always sick and not compatible with being a feminist, and I’m trying not to go there.
But you know, I really wasn’t just making a joke when I suggested that there were repressed desires at work with women like this. I seriously wonder about it. You might not get that just from this thread, but I’ve read quite a bit of this husband-worshipping crap from the super-fundies and it is just weird. There’s this fetishization of the husband-as-master and submitting to him and all that.
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Txfeminist says:
it’s funny. these women want to abdicate self responsibility in much the same way our FR buddies do.
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Steve says:
Im gonna go ask Mrs. Steve (Dr. Mrs. Steve actually) if she’ll submit to me.
Hold on and Ill report the results.
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Violet says:
Steve: I remember going to my aunt’s house in 1975 and discovering that she had The Total Woman (and swore by it, as she told my mother). That was the first time I realized my aunt was an idiot.
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Steve says:
What happened to Mr. Paul?
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Violet says:
I don’t know. I miss him too.
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Steve says:
Vi: At least your uncle got to see your aunt wrapped in cellophane paper when he got home!
You might recall that as one of Marabel Morgan’s pieces of advice for strengthening godbag marriages.
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manxome says:
Ah, the one thing in the whole wide world she’d change, but of course couldn’t, because she wouldn’t vote on it, of course.
I bet that keeps her mind busy all day long!
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CR says:
Well, there have been some thrashes on feminist blogs about BDSM, with some people saying that it’s always sick and not compatible with being a feminist
Yes, I know the BDSM ladies sure have been taking a beating lately.
repressed desires at work with women like this
I think you are right. About the Fundementalist ladies that is.
You might not get that just from this thread, but I’ve read quite a bit of this husband-worshipping
I got it. And the land owning. And the South shall rise again. And Elvis just left the building.
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CR says:
I’m totally teasing you Miss Violet,
I’ve had a lovely day and am in a silly mood. -
Violet says:
Yes, I know the BDSM ladies sure have been taking a beating lately.
You dog!
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CR says:
Yes ‘m
In lieu of Mr. Paul.
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Mandos says:
This site is extremely weird:
http://www.takeninhand.com/node/438
It appears to be the logical conclusion of Violet’s little joke.
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Violet says:
I remember that site from the charming “When Rape Is A Gift” article, which Amanda blogged about. But I don’t think they’re explicitly Christian.
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Violet says:
Okay, here you go:
Now, my thinking is, if some of these wives who are so hepped up on submission recognized that they were in fact just repressing a sexual urge, and made an attempt to channel that appropriately into their sex lives, then maybe they wouldn’t get this weirdo un-self-aware displacement thing going where they think that all women in the world need to submit and even be deprived of their civil liberties.
On the other hand, there is this extremely disturbing quote from the BDSM Q&A linked above:
Unlike her secular sister, a Christian submissive may not be a natural submissive. She may choose to become a submissive wife as she is called to do in the scriptures. She seeks to honor God and her Husband in all she does. The Christian submissive seeks after God’s heart and relies on prayer for strength and wisdom in her submissive walk.
The thought of a woman who is not “a natural submissive” enduring a BDSM relationship because she thinks it’s her Christian duty makes me want to wretch violently. Jesus God these people are FUCKED IN THE HEAD.
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richard cherry says:
Maybe Manxome (16) got there before me, but if the woman doesn’t believe women should have the vote then presumably we shouldn’t insult her by asking her opinion.
Mind you, I’m all for headship – thought the sexual preference post was the other one but I’ll go with it. -
manxome says:
You got it, Richard. Thanks. It was making my head all swirly twirly!
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will says:
Hey manxome is back! Hi there!
Have you been flooded?
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Andrea says:
Presumably we shouldn’t ask them for their opinion, anyway. We should more properly ask for their husband’s permission, or maybe the husband could just go ahead and tell us what his wife is allowed to think.
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richard cherry says:
Point of order Mme Chair – please don’t allow posters (Andrea) to use words like ‘wife’ and ‘think’ in the same sentence or the godbags will die of confusion and there will be nobody left to tease.
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appletree » Blog Archive » Thursday Links: Saved by the Boat Edition says:
[...] Dr. Violent Socks of Reclusive Leftist and Alon Levy of Unscewing the Inscrutable both found a discussion on a Dominionist Christian women’s bulletin board. These submissive women generally agreed that allowing women to vote is a bad idea, and that a man should have to own property in order to cast a ballot. [...]
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Promenea says:
I suspect that religion is part of the fetish. The “make me do it, god” part just makes the sex with hubby that much hotter to her.
It is all choice. I worry more about the women who, because of financial constraints, have no real choice but to submit.
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manxome says:
Hi will. I obviously missed the flirting you bestow in almost every comment!
Or maybe I’m just flighty.
No flooding here, except portions of my poorly graded yard. It clears just in time for the next thunderstorm.
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will says:
Manxome:
It is always nice to have my fellow Virginian back!
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belledame222 says:
>Hoo-boy, this is where I get in trouble, and that starts with “T” and that rhymes with “P” and that stands for “pool.”
I must be sleep-deprived or something, because I’ve been staring at this sentence for a good couple of minutes and it’s still not making any sense to me, and I can’t seem to go any farther until it does.
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belledame222 says:
and by the way, what happens if/when hubby decides they shouldn’t be allowed access to a computer anymore, on accounta it might warp their fargily lit-tul miiiiiinds?
reading, too, that can lead to all sorts of dangerous places.
I think you’re right; it is a fetish, of sorts.
bless their little lacy mitts.
